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2013-05-01 02:14:41 < kozmo> I noticed that live-build 3.x is getting installed in my build even though I specified a squeeze target and pinned live-build version 2.* to 1001 in chroot_apt.  Are these specifications getting over written in the binary stage, is there a separate apt preferences entry for that in lb 2.x?
2013-05-01 02:15:34 < chrisb_> kozmo: hi, i can't answer that question
2013-05-01 02:19:22 < kozmo> Well, we'll see if the problem continued in the latest build.  Time to reboot...
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2013-05-01 02:26:09 < pixy> hi, is it possible to use persistence in the same partition as root, using a file system such as ext4 ?
2013-05-01 02:27:20 < haylo> pixy: not really
2013-05-01 02:27:37 < haylo> i just did it earlier, but its going to drive you crazy trying to figure it out
2013-05-01 02:28:48 < pixy> haylo: it works or not  :) i need persistency for a small change so dont want to create a 2nd partition
2013-05-01 02:29:23 < haylo> the filesyetem in debian live is read only, so its going to be pretty difficult for you to change that, and then mount whatever you have, and make a persistence partition on there.
2013-05-01 02:30:31 < pixy> it's easy for me, just tell me how to name it, in the root dir, i can create an ext4 file system and mount it at boot time.
2013-05-01 02:30:39 < haylo> but i actually tested it just for you. when i built a version of debian live build from scratch
2013-05-01 02:30:56 < haylo> cause you keep asking about it :P
2013-05-01 02:31:20 < haylo> but yeah, unless you figure out how to make that filesystem r+w , you arent going to get very far
2013-05-01 02:31:54 < pixy> if i put the file system as  persistence or persistence.ext4 will it work ?
2013-05-01 02:33:05 < pixy> haylo: even though many people here don't like it, i can edit the chroot manually and put some private scripts to do things
2013-05-01 02:33:16 < haylo> if you think about it, you can just send a .img filesystem to you user pre packaged, they can download it with iso
2013-05-01 02:33:49 < haylo> .img persistence partition. adding into the base is sort of counter productive.
2013-05-01 02:35:00 < pixy> persistence is acheived by a single script (live-persistence) in /bin ? 
2013-05-01 02:36:15 < pixy> i think it binds the dirs at boot time, but in what order :)
2013-05-01 02:36:34 < haylo> i dont think you need to hack the persistence scripts for what you want.
2013-05-01 02:37:10 < haylo> what you need to hack is whatever process is making the fileystem r+o in live build. so you can change its size and stick your persistence file in there
2013-05-01 02:37:25 < haylo> "ro" * i mean to say
2013-05-01 02:38:17 < haylo> but you will learn more trying to do things the way the developers laid out. theres more important crap than just modifying how persistence works. and what it even means to use it
2013-05-01 02:38:56 < haylo> but i did test it, and yes, live-boot is capable of finding it there, when it is sitting on the sam filesystem as the sqaushfs
2013-05-01 02:40:01 < haylo> but i did not use live build to do it. i used the live-boot aufs-tools and live-boot-initramfs-tools packages, againsta standard debian install,  to do it
2013-05-01 02:40:47 < pixy> next to squashfs file you put another one (same file system) ?
2013-05-01 02:41:43 < pixy> and named it persistence ? im not very good at linux , at the moment what it does is important for me.
2013-05-01 02:41:48 < pixy> it's for personal use
2013-05-01 02:42:02 < haylo> i dd if=/dev/zero of=/persistence , and then used parted to label it, format it, and then i mounted it and put the persistence.conf file in there
2013-05-01 02:43:17 < pixy> i already did this i used ext4 and put it in root directory and created the squashfs and replaced it with the real one in my ISO
2013-05-01 02:43:33 < haylo> dd if=/dev/zero of=/persistence bs=100M count=2 will make it 200MB
2013-05-01 02:44:00 < haylo> why are you replacing the squashfs?
2013-05-01 02:44:00 < pixy> the file persistence.conf is inside the persistence (ext4)
2013-05-01 02:44:38 < pixy> i rebuilt the squashFS after putting persistence file system inside it under /
2013-05-01 02:44:49 < pixy> or should it be in the root of the media ?
2013-05-01 02:44:51 < haylo> see, that is a dumb way to make linuxes
2013-05-01 02:45:18 < haylo> I am sure that I am not the first person who has told you this
2013-05-01 02:45:33 < pixy> yes you are
2013-05-01 02:45:51 < pixy> actually i think i tried both
2013-05-01 02:46:22 < pixy> let me try one more time
2013-05-01 02:47:04 < pixy> btw: what file system did u use when formatting ?
2013-05-01 02:49:21 < haylo> i always use ext2, but it should not matter
2013-05-01 02:50:13 < haylo> i use ext3 on the machines i actually use btw, ext2 for my test stuff, cause its usually onto usb
2013-05-01 02:52:04 < pixy> i put the persistence (ext4) into root of the media will try it now brb
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2013-05-01 03:07:09 < pixy> haylo: nope it's not working
2013-05-01 03:07:32 < pixy> as i said i remember i tried it before.
2013-05-01 03:12:38 < haylo> oh and you might need to oot with the toram boot parameter as well
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2013-05-01 03:13:40 < haylo> otherwise the root media will be tied up, mounted into the aufs alter
2013-05-01 03:13:55 < pixy> are you sure? it loads everything to ram
2013-05-01 03:13:56 < haylo> s/alter/layer/  *
2013-05-01 03:14:48 < haylo> no, i am not sure. Im not a developer, or anything. but that what i had to use. just press escape at teh syslinux screen and add it
2013-05-01 03:15:12 < kozmo> Well the version issue was with the boot loader refusing to boot a second partition on my usb, and silently reverting to booting the first partition.  So, it looked like zero changes were being made inspite of lb configuration changes.  
2013-05-01 03:16:06 < haylo> and I am not going to try and support this root media persistence file anymore. Its just not a aprt of live build. it goes against the basic premise of a liveCD. until the devs say other wise
2013-05-01 03:16:12 < pixy> haylo brb
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2013-05-01 03:17:37 < kozmo> haylo:  I got live-config and chroot preseed working to set up some third party files properly.
2013-05-01 03:18:02 < haylo> awesome kozmo 
2013-05-01 03:20:26 < kozmo> I also found a GeForce adapter I could afford to order.
2013-05-01 03:26:24 < kozmo> All that was with 2.x.  I still have some issues with 3.x to sort out.
2013-05-01 03:29:59 < kozmo> I just spent about two weeks working 12hrs a day on this stuff.  If I could just figure out how to get paid for that, all would be well with my world.
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2013-05-01 03:31:19 < pixy> haylo: you rock ! :)
2013-05-01 03:33:29 < pixy> it worked when used with "toram" :/
2013-05-01 03:34:52 < pixy> thanks again.
2013-05-01 03:35:51 < haylo> good! i would love to see the config you used to make that, if its not a bother. i am quite behind with my live-build syntax
2013-05-01 03:36:55 < haylo> I have not used that function to alter the root media yet. would be nice to see it applied somewhere
2013-05-01 03:37:54 < pixy> you always chroot to the chroot dir and install 3rd party packages, add stuff you need.
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2013-05-01 03:38:40 < haylo> pixy: me ?
2013-05-01 03:38:46 < pixy> this is just a regular build, i created ext4 then put to the root of the usb stick with persistence.conf
2013-05-01 03:39:02 < pixy> haylo: you can* : )
2013-05-01 03:40:34 < pixy> well live build suggests to use standard methods, but if you need to edit the build so often especially for private use, you just wanna alter the chroot , use a squashfs-tools and make new squash file, instead of starting over
2013-05-01 03:41:24 < kozmo> Reboot and get beer time...
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2013-05-01 03:41:37 < pixy> you said when toram is not used, it loads the file as "aufo" something (?%&+)
2013-05-01 03:42:25 < haylo> look up "aufs" its the type of filesystem that we use for liveCDs . its fairly complex
2013-05-01 03:43:35 < pixy> hmm, never mind for the moment then , been messing with this persistence long time.
2013-05-01 03:43:50 < haylo> well, you should know what it is
2013-05-01 03:44:04 < haylo> no reason to study it really, just a brief read
2013-05-01 03:44:23 < pixy> yeah will do soon
2013-05-01 03:45:23 < pixy> one good think i learned is which speeded up many of my tests, using a ramdisk if you have a ram 8GB+
2013-05-01 03:45:59 < pixy> with syslinux extlinux you can make bootable usb, without the need of live-build *img file.
2013-05-01 03:47:25 < pixy> also i like the interactive shell, although live-guys don't suggest it. thats how i installed Nvidia driver , Qt GUI etc ...
2013-05-01 03:48:16 < pixy> ext4 is good to mount and alter until you are fully satisfied and ready to switch to squash
2013-05-01 03:48:45 < pixy> btw, are you into Qt ?
2013-05-01 03:50:12 < haylo>  perhaps this is a conversation for #debian-offtopic . there are lots of devs and ops there, who can help make sure that our conversations are congruent and accurate.
2013-05-01 03:53:12 < pixy> very few people talk here if ever, so don't worry ; )
2013-05-01 03:53:30 < pixy> k im off ttyl
2013-05-01 03:53:31 < haylo> well, we are talking about here, on a different channel almost everyday
2013-05-01 03:54:02 < pixy> oh i c now
2013-05-01 03:54:13 < pixy> will drop by 
2013-05-01 03:54:26 < haylo> im still learning, too ameture to really contribute on the main channels as well
2013-05-01 03:55:00 < pixy> haylo: take care, see ya!
2013-05-01 03:55:01 < haylo> so i have to keep my mouth shut, and try to just stay accurate and help. that way i can stay here and learn. nothing personal
2013-05-01 03:55:08 < haylo> see you now! :)
2013-05-01 03:55:48 < pixy> ;-)
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2013-05-01 04:47:10 < dba> SynrG: first part of the images is at http://live.debian.net/files/current/images/7.0~rc2/
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2013-05-01 08:51:46 < SynrG> dba: good. will take a look
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2013-05-01 13:25:15 < hacktivist> ok so I made an initrd.gz vmlinux filesystem.squashfs how do i build iso?
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2013-05-01 14:05:33 < SynrG> dba: kde install went fine. i'd like to see gnome again, as last i tested, screensaver was still kicking in after a period of inactivity
2013-05-01 14:05:57 < SynrG> dba: if we have anything further to adjust there, a live-images tweak might be advisable at this point
2013-05-01 14:06:13 < SynrG> i have no time right now to do that gnome test, tho
2013-05-01 14:32:44 < dba> SynrG: ok, but i do not want hacks in live-images though
2013-05-01 14:49:32 < SynrG> well, ideally yes
2013-05-01 14:49:56 < SynrG> if we have gnome-screensaver fixed in some hook of some other package, that package should be updated anyway
2013-05-01 14:50:34 < SynrG> if we have to live without that updated package for the final release because we are too late to get anything more unblocked, we can always fall back to live-images as a workaround until the next point release.
2013-05-01 14:50:50 < SynrG> (or would you rather just use a version from unstable in that case?)
2013-05-01 14:51:29 < SynrG> anyway, i will either test or would like to hear back from someone who tested gnome and see if the screensaver no longer kicks in
2013-05-01 14:51:39 < SynrG> this may be entirely a moot point if that all works now :)
2013-05-01 14:55:37 < dba> that does work; and imho i would leave it broken in r0 rather than to workaround it in live-images.
2013-05-01 15:04:06 < SynrG> dba: when you do a shutdown, kde prompts you to abort active tty sessions
2013-05-01 15:04:52 < SynrG> ok. it's just that a *very* recent, pre-RC2 build of mine, in which i was using the latest live-build available to me at the time (i think the one previous to your netboot fix) + all pkgs i had unblocks outstanding for ...
2013-05-01 15:04:59 < SynrG> did trigger the screensaver at some point.
2013-05-01 15:06:13 < SynrG> so if you can say "oh, you just didn't have version blah of live-foo" that would reassure me :)
2013-05-01 15:06:35 < SynrG> even better would be to see gnome live in action for myself again (which i will do eventually anyway)
2013-05-01 15:06:55 < SynrG> btw, i just finished testing a kde RC2 live install using the launcher
2013-05-01 15:07:10 < SynrG> that was fine, but at shutdown kde prompts me that i have open tty sessions it wants to terminate
2013-05-01 15:07:27 < SynrG> to me, it's obvious that you can just press OK there, but might not be as obvious to others.
2013-05-01 15:07:47 < SynrG> if the tty sessions were started when you switch to them instead of prestarted, that would be even better.
2013-05-01 15:10:51 < dba> re kde; see kdm bts
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2013-05-01 15:27:06 < SynrG> k
2013-05-01 15:28:20 < SynrG> #589361
2013-05-01 15:29:00 < SynrG> no comment on that by kdm maintainers :p
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2013-05-01 16:43:50 < buxy> SynrG: you forgot to push the changes (and tags) in debian-insaller-launcher.git
2013-05-01 16:58:04 < SynrG> which i mentioned on #debian-boot and didn't get back to. again, sorry.
2013-05-01 16:58:15 < SynrG> (but you're apparently not there. hmm.)
2013-05-01 16:59:40 < SynrG> i ought to be able to do these things directly. can i? if i can, i will in future. as i mentioned there, my git clones are a bit of a mess (cloned twice at home, and have an intermediate step i want to eliminate, while providing at the same time a gitweb to share a view of my work)
2013-05-01 17:00:29 < SynrG> tbh, i just haven't that much experience with more than maybe one or two particular git workflows
2013-05-01 17:06:10 < SynrG> ... which is not to excuse my lapse, but just to say, i've had difficulties. i want to do it the right way. and i will do things the right way when i get stuff sorted out. :)
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2013-05-01 18:43:53 < Marius_> hello, I have problems with including extra software in a custom live build. May I ask for help?
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2013-05-01 18:46:44 < haylo> Marius_: what version of lb are you using ?  "lb --version"
2013-05-01 18:47:22 < Marius_> 3.0.1-1
2013-05-01 18:47:55 < haylo> did you read the 3.x manual section about adding packages?
2013-05-01 18:48:10 < Marius_> yes, I did
2013-05-01 18:48:52 < Marius_> I added package lists to config/package-lists/
2013-05-01 18:49:36 < Marius_> cat config/package-lists/python.chroot
2013-05-01 18:49:47 < Marius_> python-minimal python-pyopencl
2013-05-01 18:49:56 < Marius_> etc.
2013-05-01 18:51:02 < Marius_> what I am trying to do is to create a live CD for students in OpenCL lab (based on nVidia hardware)
2013-05-01 18:51:24 < haylo> what happens if you build (1) simple package like "htop", have you gotten that to work?
2013-05-01 18:52:06 < Marius_> as an example I copied from GIT a config for a 'standard' image. I got it to work.
2013-05-01 18:52:37 < Marius_> and used it as a starting point for further modifications
2013-05-01 18:54:06 < Marius_> hybrid image gets built, and it runs when loaded from CD (or in a KVM)
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2013-05-01 18:57:44 < Marius_> however, when I do: mount -o loop,ro binary.hybrid.iso /tmp/mnt ; mount -o loop,ro /tmp/mnt/live/filesystem.ext2 /tmp/livefs/
2013-05-01 18:58:04 < Marius_> and then: cd /mnt/livefs ; find . -type f -name nvidia -print 
2013-05-01 18:58:46 < Marius_> I can not find nvidia module (and I created a package list for it in config/package-lists/ )
2013-05-01 18:59:54 < Marius_> I enabled contrib and non-free in configure.. 
2013-05-01 19:02:35 < Marius_> for further testing I added some subdirectories in configure/includes.chroot/ and they appear in the image OK
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2013-05-01 19:03:05 < Marius_> so the configure process seems to work.
2013-05-01 19:05:00 < Marius_> I tried to play with --apt [apt | aptitude] option, but no improvement, and I got stuck :(
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2013-05-01 19:22:41 < chals> Marius_: package lists need the .list suffix and then (optionally) the stage suffix .chroot or .binary
2013-05-01 19:24:22 < SynrG> Marius_: you've configured with --archive-areas "main contrib non-free" ?
2013-05-01 19:24:42 < SynrG> i mean, i assume those nvidia packages are not in main
2013-05-01 19:24:50 < Marius_> yes, areas are configured like that. Arrrghhhh! the suffixes....
2013-05-01 19:25:02 < SynrG> ah, yes. that's important.
2013-05-01 19:25:39 < Marius_> let me redo, I'll get back with update in about 20 minutes...
2013-05-01 19:26:49 < Marius_> wait a sec.. if stage suffix is optional.. should I place binary nvidia driver into both stages?
2013-05-01 19:27:57 < chals> Marius_: the .binary stage does not install the packages in the live system, only the .chroot one does
2013-05-01 19:28:14 < SynrG> you usually only want .list.chroot
2013-05-01 19:28:23 < Marius_> ok, going for chroot then..
2013-05-01 19:28:46 < SynrG> failure to include '.list' at all will make it not include packages
2013-05-01 19:29:02 < SynrG> failure to add the stage suffix will mean it gets included in both stages.
2013-05-01 19:29:16 < SynrG> and that just bloats the image with no added value
2013-05-01 19:30:33 < Marius_> ok, got it. Config updated, lb clean; lb config, lb build 
2013-05-01 19:30:47 < Marius_> going to fetch a long coffee now ...
2013-05-01 19:32:33 < chals> dba: I have downloaded two 7.0~rc2 netboot images (standard and lxde) and both have the same "issue" as the rc1 ones: tftpboot/pxelinux.tmp 
2013-05-01 19:33:17 < chals> I tested both and they fail to boot because the process seems unfinished, there is no noticeable error in the build log that I can see
2013-05-01 19:33:47 < chals> I mean I couldn't stop anything 
2013-05-01 19:33:58 < chals> s/stop/spot/ 
2013-05-01 19:34:58 < chals> SynrG: iirc the gnome screensaver thing was fixed (there  was a patch sent to the list or something like that)
2013-05-01 19:35:24 < SynrG> i did see that go by. but i was building with versions that i thought were accepted with that patch in it.
2013-05-01 19:36:20 < SynrG> anyway, i have time now so will fetch the gnome one and see for myself
2013-05-01 19:38:29 < chals> SynrG: I'm going to boot again a rc2 standard image in kvm, I tried the debian-installer-launcher with qemu in a very old machine and it exits saying there is no space left. I do not blame the launcher
2013-05-01 19:38:48 < chals> it is problably that the testing conditions are not optimal
2013-05-01 19:39:04 < chals> I'm going to do it well!
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2013-05-01 19:47:45 < SynrG> chals: my kvm tests are with -m 1G
2013-05-01 19:47:57 < SynrG> seems like a reasonable sized VM
2013-05-01 19:48:12 < SynrG> i also use 10G qcow files as my target volumes
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2013-05-01 19:55:09 < chals> SynrG: thanks, it works fine in this machine with kvm
2013-05-01 19:55:41 < SynrG> mhm
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2013-05-01 20:02:09 < Marius_> chals, big Thank You. It was the missing .list 
2013-05-01 20:03:16 < Marius_> I will test with KVM next, but it seems that all software is included now. 
2013-05-01 20:03:44 < chals> Marius_: no problem, :)
2013-05-01 20:04:36 < Marius_> one more thing, is  --bootappend-live "boot=live config toram" everything that is required to remove the CD once live system started, or is there more to it?
2013-05-01 20:06:43 < chals> Marius_: do you want to load the system to ram and eject the medium?
2013-05-01 20:07:06 < Marius_> yes, that would be preferable. Plenty of RAM there..
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2013-05-01 20:10:12 < chals> Marius_: yup, the toram option will do the trick
2013-05-01 20:12:06 < Marius_> ok, thanks. I asked because I had a problem with only those arguments. The CD drive did not want to open. I assume because it was still mounted. But I'll check again. Maybe I did something wrong.
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2013-05-01 20:15:48 < chals> Marius_: I do not know for sure if there is any other trick. I have never tried the toram option with a physical cd. I have done it on several occasions with a pendrive
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2013-05-01 20:18:11 < Marius_> ok, will keep trying. Actually with a pendrive it is of less importance, as it can be rewritten while a bad cd is just a frisbee :) so I wanted to minimise environmental impact on initial deployment (as surely some bugs will be caught then). 
2013-05-01 20:19:10 < chals> Marius_: good luck :)
2013-05-01 20:19:12 < Marius_> Anyway, thank you chals for your help. Also thanks to SynrG for explanations. 
2013-05-01 20:20:44 < Marius_> have a good day|timezone :)
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2013-05-01 21:36:46 < kozmo> Well, I think this time I really do have my 2.x image rockin'.  Yesterday, I thought I had it working with some mods to live-config and preseed, although they failed to get the job done.  Since then I worked it out another way with user launced scripts.
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2013-05-01 23:19:03 < SynrG> dba, chals: so i booted the gnome image in kvm, which does not support gnome-shell, and the screensaver kicked in
2013-05-01 23:19:30 < SynrG> i don't know if gnome-shell vs gnome-classic is the difference. i haven't yet tested it just booted from a gnome-shell-capable system yet
2013-05-01 23:44:45 < adb> gnome-classic is gnome find in squeeze
2013-05-01 23:49:29 < SynrG> nope, it locked it gnome-shell too
2013-05-01 23:49:32 < SynrG> just tested
2013-05-01 23:52:41 < SynrG> dba: when i do "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled" it returns:
2013-05-01 23:52:44 < SynrG> true
--- Day changed Thu May 02 2013
2013-05-02 00:00:26 < SynrG> well, the hook is there. and the semaphore is, too, so apparently it just didn't get set
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2013-05-02 00:04:39 < SynrG> config.log: http://paste.debian.net/1589/
2013-05-02 00:29:40 < SynrG> hmm, watching the boot messages, those happen before udevd
2013-05-02 00:34:16 < SynrG> so ... live-config can't do anything that depends on udevd running first? bleah
2013-05-02 00:36:21 < SynrG> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=705599 was due to the same problem
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2013-05-02 00:44:54 < SynrG> buxy: i understand now from reading that bug we should use the same approach as your patch here
2013-05-02 00:45:29 < SynrG> please also see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=703972 which attempted to fix this before. looks like this didn't get adequately tested
2013-05-02 00:54:03 < SynrG> ok. i've filed a bug
2013-05-02 00:55:11 < SynrG> ... and ... that's it for me for tonight. no further time to write the actual patch
2013-05-02 00:57:19 < BTS> Opened #706587 in live-config 3.0.23-1 by Ben Armstrong <synrg@sanctua...> <<disable gnome-screensaver not possible with gsettings without udev>>. https://bugs.debian.org/706587
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2013-05-02 04:28:05 < dba> chals: so we skip netboot for that r0.
2013-05-02 04:28:47 < dba> SynrG: in 4.x, i intend to split-up live-config into pre-$display_manager and post-$display_manager scripts to speed up booting,
2013-05-02 04:29:47 < dba> not sure how solvable #706587 is in 3.x (traditionally, we would start udev in the respecting script), but that's r1 stuff anyway.
2013-05-02 04:46:06 < dba> (no, the suggested method is not good, we want to avoid hardcoding embedded configuration file syntax in live-config and stick to the 'official' interface by calling the respecitive tools to do so when they are available)
2013-05-02 04:46:46 < dba> (it isn't that much of a problem to solve it properly, so let's have it solved properly then rather than a workaround)
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2013-05-02 06:35:10 < buxy> huh, live-config modifies configuration files, why would be it bad to create one as well?
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2013-05-02 06:46:20 < twb> which config file did you have in mind
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2013-05-02 07:16:01 < twb> When I boot, all the boot stuff goes past, but then it gets cleared and I only see the login prompt stuff
2013-05-02 07:16:14 < twb> Is there a simple way to avoid it getting discarded, so I can read it slowly?
2013-05-02 07:16:38 < dba> --noclear in inittab for getty
2013-05-02 07:18:24 < twb> thanks
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2013-05-02 07:45:27 < twb> So for a test, I created /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/personality
2013-05-02 07:45:32 < twb> And I put in it "set >/root/set.sh"
2013-05-02 07:46:07 < twb> What is really surprising is when I look at set.sh, it has - wait, no it doesn't.  That's even weirder.
2013-05-02 07:47:02 < twb> I must have done somethig wrong, because when I looked at it on the booted system I could've it hadSSH_CONNECTION='203.7.155.68 54749 203.7.155.217 22' in it -- the IPs of my netbok and the image build server
2013-05-02 07:47:49 < twb> But when I check again those aren't there, and it's what I expected: http://paste.debian.net/1628/
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2013-05-02 08:17:19 < twb> Hm, OK, for some reason it has both /set.sh and /root/set.sh -- the latter contains the SSH crap.  I must have run it on the build server by mistake somehow
2013-05-02 08:21:32 < twb> Ah, it's because it's run at build time with "prereqs"
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2013-05-02 09:10:57 < SynrG> dba: if your objection is injection of schema override files into /usr, maybe there is some actual config file we can work with (just for live user?) instead? i have no problem with "let's not solve in 3.x" but i do with "let's release wheezy with gnome-screensaver still locking". so, if you have a proposed other solution, i'm all ears ...
2013-05-02 09:11:09 < SynrG> it's an important usability problem.
2013-05-02 09:11:56 < SynrG> if i start an install and walk off (as I'm likely to do, since it can be slow) i want to be assured that when i come back, the screen is not locked.
2013-05-02 09:12:11 < SynrG> and that's exactly the context in which i first encountered the issue
2013-05-02 09:21:23 < SynrG> btw, i must've been tired when i wrote that bug. of course it is dbus that is required, not udev, so it should be retitled as such
2013-05-02 09:21:43 < SynrG> i'll look into if a config file change can fix this
2013-05-02 09:23:09 < SynrG> ah, never mind. buxy said in that other bug he looked.
2013-05-02 09:23:41 < SynrG> so ... we're stuck here.
2013-05-02 09:24:12 < SynrG> i think it is less bad to fix it this way now and solve it a better way later than to release wheezy with it in this state.
2013-05-02 09:24:44 < SynrG> i do not disagree that using gsettings would be better. but until we *do* have a split early/late hook, there's no chance of that.
2013-05-02 09:25:17 < buxy> you can run dbus earlier with dbus-launch gsettings
2013-05-02 09:25:49 < buxy> see the other patches in #705599 but I find this way uglier
2013-05-02 09:25:59 < SynrG> right, which is why i ruled that out
2013-05-02 09:26:04 < SynrG> your way seemed cleaner
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2013-05-02 09:26:34 < SynrG> on the flip side, if you have to do a lot of gsettings things, i would not want to perpetuate doing that by schema overrides ...
2013-05-02 09:26:39 < SynrG> but there is right now just this one ...
2013-05-02 09:26:59 < SynrG> and we plan to solve it by reordering configs later (not until jessie tho)
2013-05-02 09:27:33 < buxy> SynrG: you can also create a dconf profile in /etc/dconf/
2013-05-02 09:27:35 < SynrG> so for a single exception i think it is not so bad. just comment it so we don't build on this
2013-05-02 09:27:52 < buxy> but that one should be left for the admin really
2013-05-02 09:30:10 < SynrG> the downsides of both /etc and /usr locations for the override is while we want to disable logins for the live user because it is auto-logged-in and the user possibly doesn't know the password, we should not penalize more sophisticated live users using persistence who want to adduser additional users and then are surprised to not have a screen lock.
2013-05-02 09:30:31 < SynrG> so it's really inappropriate to set it system-wide, and maybe that's at the heart of daniel's objection.
2013-05-02 09:30:53 < SynrG> the hook as it is written intends to set it only for the user
2013-05-02 09:32:27 < SynrG> another solution could be to inject a one-time hook into the login ...
2013-05-02 09:32:49 < SynrG> by the time the autologin happens, everything is ready to go to run gsettings
2013-05-02 09:32:59 < SynrG> also you don't need to 'sudo user' either
2013-05-02 09:33:56 < dba> SynrG: it's to late for r0 to do properly, let's fix it afterwards.
2013-05-02 09:34:09 < SynrG> so, in ~${LIVE_USERNAME}/.config/autologin put a .desktop file that invokes the hook(s), runs gsettings, touches a semaphore per completed hook
2013-05-02 09:34:25 < SynrG> thereby giving us "late" configuration of the live user environment
2013-05-02 09:35:16 < SynrG> dba: while i understand it is very late, i am not certain it is *too* late
2013-05-02 09:35:32 < SynrG> technically, changes could be made right up to the last minute
2013-05-02 09:36:36 < SynrG> thinking through the consequences of my proposed .config/autlogin/ hook, i can't think of any ... it would run only once due to the semaphore, limiting the impact
2013-05-02 09:36:51 < SynrG> the user could thus subsequently change that setting however he/she wishes
2013-05-02 09:37:11 < SynrG> and the change is properly limited to just the live user
2013-05-02 09:37:30 < dba> like i said, the only sane way in 3.x is to just start what's required (and see that the fallout of that isn't too big).
2013-05-02 09:37:55 < SynrG> that is a "san*er*" way, but i don't think that's "the only sane way"
2013-05-02 09:38:22 < SynrG> and because of the uncertainty of fallout of that, i agree it's too late for that.
2013-05-02 09:38:38 < SynrG> my way has minimal fallout and is not horribly ugly
2013-05-02 09:39:26 < SynrG> whereas dealing with many users who trip on the "hey, what's the password?" problem between now and r1 is surely going to be a pain
2013-05-02 09:39:30 < SynrG> a lot of that falls on me
2013-05-02 09:49:55 < dba> well, do you personally now, have the time to do it and test it thoroughly? i certainly don't, but i'm happy to upload if you take the responsibility for it.
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2013-05-02 09:58:55 < SynrG> dba: i will make an effort to do so
2013-05-02 10:01:41 < dba> (fyi, i'll be afk from 16:00 +0200 till tomorrow 10:00 +0200, so ether before or after that)
2013-05-02 10:02:00 < dba> (and tomorrow 16:00 +0200 until sunday)
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2013-05-02 10:42:43 < SynrG> buxy: can you please review mkautostart.sh at http://paste.debian.net/1651/
2013-05-02 10:42:46 < SynrG> usage:
2013-05-02 10:43:24 < SynrG> mkautostart.sh "live_disable_gnome-screensaver" "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false"
2013-05-02 10:43:40 < SynrG> that's intended as a drop-in replacement in the live-config hook for:
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2013-05-02 10:43:55 < SynrG>                 sudo -u "${LIVE_USERNAME}" gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false
2013-05-02 10:43:56 < dba> SynrG: sorry, but this is ugly as shit
2013-05-02 10:44:15 < dba> this doesn't at all into the live-config picture
2013-05-02 10:44:34 < SynrG> it's exactly what i proposed. and it's what i thought you said "if you do the work and test it" meant
2013-05-02 10:45:08 < SynrG> it allows the hook to remain clean
2013-05-02 10:45:29 < SynrG> and can subsequently be replaced by a proper late hook that looks almost exactly the same
2013-05-02 10:45:34 < dba> first, the things needs to remain in the live-config script,
2013-05-02 10:45:41 < dba> otherwise you cannot disable it anymore
2013-05-02 10:45:48 < SynrG> yes. that would remain in the live-config script
2013-05-02 10:46:03 < SynrG> i.e. the sudo line i pasted above would be replaced with the mkautostart.sh line i pasted above
2013-05-02 10:46:19 < SynrG> hence "drop-in replacement"
2013-05-02 10:46:29 < dba> no, that's not what i'm saying, i'm talking about the 'logic', now you're exporting that to a desktop file, externally.
2013-05-02 10:46:41 < SynrG> yes. a desktop file which is a one-shot.
2013-05-02 10:47:19 < dba> i think i revise what i said before, i do not see any good way to fix it now.
2013-05-02 10:47:34 < dba> the global schema is bad because it's not user specific,
2013-05-02 10:47:46 < dba> the desktop file is ugly as shit
2013-05-02 10:47:57 < dba> and starting dbus first nobody has the time to test.
2013-05-02 10:48:34 < dba> the only compromise is then, by exception since it's for wheezy only (and wheezy is likely not going to change 'much' in future),
2013-05-02 10:48:42 < SynrG> the desktop file *is* what i proposed. i would not have expended the effort if i had heard an objection from you before :(
2013-05-02 10:49:04 < dba> to dump the schema for the user in it's entirely, which is shitty but at least better than any of the other things.
2013-05-02 10:49:29 < dba> had i known how it would look like i would have objected right away
2013-05-02 10:49:52 < SynrG> sigh. ok ... is there any *variant* of this approach that would be acceptable?
2013-05-02 10:50:38 < dba> (but as several times pointed out, i do not have much time right now and am busy with bunch of other stuff until i leave; so don't hold having in advance said that i have not much time against me afterwards ;)
2013-05-02 10:51:04 < SynrG> well, i have some time to reimplement exactly as you wish. i just need to know your wishes :)
2013-05-02 10:51:08 < SynrG> last time, i failed
2013-05-02 10:51:12 < dba> 10:49:04 < dba> to dump the schema for the user in it's entirely, which is shitty but at least better than any of the other things.
2013-05-02 10:51:30 < dba> how would that one look exactely?
2013-05-02 10:51:32 < SynrG> ok. so ... i thought this is what buxy said he couldn't find a way to do in /etc or so
2013-05-02 10:52:03 < SynrG> i guess i'd want a helper mkschema.sh called somewhat like mkautostart.sh above
2013-05-02 10:52:11 < dba> no, that would be global. but i'm assume this can be done user-specific in ~/.
2013-05-02 10:52:29 < SynrG> except without "gsettings set"
2013-05-02 10:52:59 < SynrG> so this would wrap any "ugly bits" of creating a schema in a simple single-line invocation to set the particular setting
2013-05-02 10:53:28 < SynrG> and the end result would be to drop "somewhere" in /home/${LIVE_USERNAME}/ the appropriate schema file
2013-05-02 10:53:56 < dba> diff a default ~/ with one after the gseettings?
2013-05-02 10:54:10 < SynrG> yes. that's the approach i would be using for discovery
2013-05-02 10:54:36 < SynrG> as for where mkschema.sh goes, dunno
2013-05-02 10:54:46 < SynrG> that could be internalized somewhere as a helper function
2013-05-02 10:54:54 < SynrG> i leave that to you
2013-05-02 10:55:05 < SynrG> or else give me pointers now ...
2013-05-02 10:56:39 < SynrG> for direct inclusion as a new function in /lib/live/config.sh?
2013-05-02 10:57:47 < SynrG> or maybe as a new hook with appropriate sequence# that does nothing but define the function is better
2013-05-02 10:58:35 < SynrG> 1010-gnome-functions
2013-05-02 10:58:41 < SynrG> or 
2013-05-02 10:58:43 < SynrG> 1010-gnome-common
2013-05-02 10:59:17 < SynrG> MkSchema () { ... }
2013-05-02 11:00:05 < dba> no, you would dump that scheme directly
2013-05-02 11:00:14 < dba> see policykit script
2013-05-02 11:00:21 < dba> then it's the same class of uglyness.
2013-05-02 11:00:52 < SynrG> ok
2013-05-02 11:01:43 < SynrG> yup, that's fine. so we "contain" the ugliness here instead of exporting it as additional infrastructure we ultimately want to kill
2013-05-02 11:01:49 < SynrG> makes perfect sense
2013-05-02 11:05:42 < SynrG> dba: hmm, just grepping what i have, there is ~/.config/dconf/user, a binary file containing the lock-enabled :p
2013-05-02 11:05:52 < SynrG> this does not bode well
2013-05-02 11:09:45 < SynrG> buxy: ultimately, this is what you found? there is no text-file override per-user possible?
2013-05-02 11:14:00 < SynrG> dba: due to ~/.config/dconf/user binary blob, this approach is a non-starter. we'd either have to scrap it and go back to a system-wide configuration or else ensure dbus starts first, which, as you say, has too many possible unintended consequences this late in the game :(
2013-05-02 11:20:29 < SynrG> guh. gnome3 is too late with this:
2013-05-02 11:20:35 < SynrG> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/tree/doc/man/gnome-session-inhibit.xml
2013-05-02 11:20:43 < SynrG> a 3.8 thing :p
2013-05-02 11:21:01 < SynrG> that would be perfect. i could at least mitigate against "locking during install" using gnome-session-inhibit
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2013-05-02 11:21:48 < SynrG> i.e. launcher starts gnome-session-inhibit if present and terminates it upon exit
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2013-05-02 12:01:01 < chals> dba: I'm gonna try to reproduce the netboot issue, the plan is as follows:
2013-05-02 12:01:43 < chals> 1st test: build a regular netboot image in a clean build environment
2013-05-02 12:02:15 < chals> 2nd test: build a standard iso image first, then clean and build the netboot one
2013-05-02 12:02:32 < chals> 3rd: see what happens :)
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2013-05-02 12:15:31 < chals> I expect the first test to succeed and the second one to fail
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2013-05-02 12:16:01 < chals> 1st one rolling...
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2013-05-02 12:28:57 < chals> (For the second test I'll use the live-images repo)
2013-05-02 12:29:14 < SynrG> i would like to make https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/errata as per /devel/debian-installer/errata and linked from /CD/live thus, at least, making a click-path from the official place to get live images to a brief (and highly readable, and hopefully also translated) list of known issues, known workarounds, and Status
2013-05-02 12:29:19 < SynrG> comments?
2013-05-02 12:30:43 < SynrG> dba: any objections? if not, i'm setting a goal to have this ready by the time the final images release.
2013-05-02 12:31:00 < chals> sounds good, but the live-manual says iirc that the place to look for issues is the debian-live homepage (even it can be changed, of course)
2013-05-02 12:31:26 < SynrG> i understand that, but that's "issues with debian-live". and this is "issues with the release images" which have higher profile
2013-05-02 12:31:37 < SynrG> i consider end users to not really care at all about live.debian.net
2013-05-02 12:31:45 < SynrG> nor do we provide translations of those pages
2013-05-02 12:31:55 < chals> SynrG: by the way, jfs has not yet uploaded the spanish translation of that page, he must be busy with last minute things
2013-05-02 12:31:56 < SynrG> nor would i expect www.d.o translators to care about those pages
2013-05-02 12:32:24 < chals> I'll poke him asap
2013-05-02 12:33:25 < SynrG> i would, of course, take responsibility for keeping this new page current. it would be a 'user-friendly' landing point, accessible to end users of the images and tracking what is yet to be fixed from stable point release to stable point release.
2013-05-02 12:33:46 < SynrG> (and worthwhile to translate, therefore, given the length of time between point releases)
2013-05-02 12:36:45 < chals> dba: first test succeeded, a regular netboot image is successfully created (this was already known) Now second test with the live-images configurations
2013-05-02 12:38:53 < buxy> SynrG: I have just read the backlog but you found out by yourself that dconf is a binary database and it can't be patched, nor are there user-specific schema files
2013-05-02 12:39:31 < SynrG> Sample entry: Screen is locked when idle in GNOME image - To ensure the user never needs to know the default password to gain access to the live system, all desktop images disable the screensaver. In the GNOME image, this does not yet work. To work around the issue, the user must enter the default password "live", or else configure the desktop to disable locking. Status: This issue will be fixed in the first Wheezy point release.
2013-05-02 12:39:49 < SynrG> and any other things we might need to mention in errata.
2013-05-02 12:40:00 < buxy> so the hook approach is one of the best solution AFAIK
2013-05-02 12:40:05 < SynrG> buxy: ok. so i have given up. this can't safely be fixed for r0
2013-05-02 12:40:29 < SynrG> my .desktop file approach was rejected, so, there is no better solution.
2013-05-02 12:40:54 < SynrG> the right solution is to run dbus early, and we don't have time to test the consequences.
2013-05-02 12:41:25 < SynrG> the solution for the other bug you devised was not suitable here because this is not supposed to be a system-wide setting.
2013-05-02 12:41:53 < SynrG> if i can't fix it, i can at least document around it.
2013-05-02 12:47:43 < chals> SynrG: I think your sample entry is a good example, it would save time to many people that will come across that issue
2013-05-02 12:51:46 < SynrG> So for now I could make this known issues with the RC2 images, and then on release day, with the final release version#.
2013-05-02 12:52:04 < SynrG> that gives us a head start with translations
2013-05-02 12:52:30 < SynrG> this does *not* in any way, shape or form take the place of either our live.debian.net status nor the BTS
2013-05-02 12:52:45 < SynrG> but is simply a highly end-user accessible way to summarize known issues, workarounds and status.
2013-05-02 12:54:16 < SynrG> while it is certainly laudable to have every user eventually know how to interact with the BTS or find help upstream (live.debian.net) those are not skills i expect the new user of Debian to initially have.
2013-05-02 12:57:46 < chals> I find the BTS to be a "cold place" I find mailing lists "warmer", more family-friendly, so to speak.
2013-05-02 12:58:25 < chals> irc is friendly too, but perhaps too informal for certain things
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2013-05-02 13:48:11 < dba> SynrG: re www stuff; excellent
2013-05-02 13:48:46 < dba> chals: if live-manual says it different point for errata, in that case, this is not a problem (even if it would replace stuff)
2013-05-02 13:49:09 < dba> chals: since we can a) get the update into r1, and b) have a redirect (indefinitly) from the old page to the new one
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2013-05-02 13:50:37 < dba> unrelated to that: i share SynrG opinion/observation (and that was what it was ment to be in the first place anyway) that live.d.n is the 'developers realm' of people developing for and on debian-live, not end-users of debian-live (since those are debian endusers, and thus.. www.d.o should be their entry point to everything).
2013-05-02 13:51:42 < dba> SynrG: wrt/ to tracking issues, that is what the bts:debian-live is supposed to do (by creating bugs for every new (point-,)release
2013-05-02 13:52:22 < dba> (just saying that for that part, that www.d.o page doesn't need to have 'dynamic' content and can just link to the respective bug (or even only to the bts pseudo-package only)
2013-05-02 13:54:17 < SynrG> dba: yes, for developer-facing tracking, we do bts:debian-live. as for linking per bug, d-i doesn't ... i have to think that's for a good reason :)
2013-05-02 13:54:25 < SynrG> i will think on this
2013-05-02 13:55:05 < dba> while i agree and see much merrits in doing things similar like other teams do,
2013-05-02 13:55:07 < SynrG> the other element of the d-i page is "if you have a problem you don't find on this page, file an installation-report"
2013-05-02 13:55:30 < dba> just because d-i doesn't tracking in bts for releases with a 'meta bug' doesn't mean we shouldn't mention that we're doing that.
2013-05-02 13:55:31 < SynrG> we of course say "file a bug on debian-live pseudopackage"
2013-05-02 13:56:19 < SynrG> the downside of saying this is bts:debian-live attracting lots of crap bug filings if it's not carefully scripted (like installation-report is)
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2013-05-02 13:56:35 < SynrG> but we can improve on this by reportbug templates over time
2013-05-02 13:56:51 < dba> yes, but that's a minor issue.. first get flooded with bug reports i say :)
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2013-05-02 13:56:57 < SynrG> :)
2013-05-02 13:57:04 < dba> (i'll happy do triaging of them once we have been flooded :)
2013-05-02 13:57:08 < SynrG> sure
2013-05-02 14:06:34 < SynrG> oh, as for:
2013-05-02 14:06:38 < SynrG> 10:55 < dba> just because d-i doesn't tracking in bts for releases with a 'meta bug' doesn't mean we shouldn't mention that 
2013-05-02 14:06:40 < SynrG>              we're doing that.
2013-05-02 14:06:46 < SynrG> i don't mean not to mention it. just not to link per bug ...
2013-05-02 14:07:46 < SynrG> rationale: end-users a) don't care, they just want it fixed b) would probably be confused to hell trying to read the average bug report, leading to wasting our time trying to explain stuff :) c) if they're motivated, they can follow our *general* advice to file a debian-live pseudopackage bug to the next logical conclusion: you can go to BTS to look up individual bugs if you're really curious
2013-05-02 14:08:18 < SynrG> and besides, because bugs move around the BTS and get reassigned to different packages and get dups and merges ... www.d.o is singularly unsuited to dealing with that kind of "churn"
2013-05-02 14:11:14 < dba> (sure; i don't care much about if you link 'generically' or 'individuall' to the bts for that case, however..)
2013-05-02 14:11:28 < dba> no they don't, i'm talking about the bug-per-release
2013-05-02 14:11:54 < SynrG> ah, right
2013-05-02 14:12:09 < dba> like.. #701967 for rc1
2013-05-02 14:12:15 < SynrG> they do link to installation-reports, but they have some means of tracking those on a per-release basis that differs for us
2013-05-02 14:12:40 < SynrG> (massive sweep and purge of no-longer-relevant-to-this-release reports, i guess)
2013-05-02 14:12:53 < dba> yep
2013-05-02 14:15:49 < SynrG> hmm ... so, thinking a bit ahead on this, anything landing on /devel/debian-live/errata and promised to be fixed in 7.0.1 should be set as a blocking bug on debian-live pseudopackage bug
2013-05-02 14:15:56 < SynrG> for 7.0.1
2013-05-02 14:16:07 < SynrG> which we should file now and attach the gnome-screensaver bug to :)
2013-05-02 14:16:27 < SynrG> along with me summarizing the rejected approaches on the gnome-screensaver bug and why it can't be done until the next point release
2013-05-02 14:17:36 < dba> SynrG: ack
2013-05-02 14:18:45 < SynrG> dba: the rc2 bug has a link to /devel/rfc/wheezy ... is that short-term only and after rc2 to be tracked solely in BTS?
2013-05-02 14:19:37 < SynrG> and ... shall i file the 7.0.1 bug now? (if the answer to the previous question was "no, it is permanent", then i can link to that page in that bug, too)
2013-05-02 14:20:09 < dba> 7.0.1 bug now? yes;
2013-05-02 14:20:24 < dba> re rc2, i'll clean that one up shortly
2013-05-02 14:20:50 < dba> no, you shoudn't link to the l.d.n/d/r/wheezy page, that's going to go away
2013-05-02 14:21:19 < dba> (unless you see merrits in keep it merely was a quick hack around for not having the bts pseudo package yet)
2013-05-02 14:21:32 < dba> s/merely/. it merely/
2013-05-02 14:23:45 < SynrG> i don't see merits to keeping it
2013-05-02 14:23:56 < SynrG> filing ...
2013-05-02 14:27:03 < SynrG> should #706587 be 'important'?
2013-05-02 14:27:15 < SynrG> (or what severity warrants a blocking bug?)
2013-05-02 14:27:29 < SynrG> ok to say "at our discretion" and leave priority alone :)
2013-05-02 14:27:40 < dba> imho: set it to important anyway, since it really is important
2013-05-02 14:28:08 < SynrG> k
2013-05-02 14:28:37 < dba> for me, still the same prio. justifications apply as i've always used them for -live: if core functionality is broken, it's rc; everything else which 'shouldn't happen in the default images' is important, anything else normal/wishlist.
2013-05-02 14:29:04 < dba> (while.. i keep wishlist for 'feature not implemented' and normal for 'bug in already existing feature')
2013-05-02 14:29:51  * SynrG nods
2013-05-02 14:30:19 < SynrG> so, bumped and blocked.
2013-05-02 14:30:32 < dba> thanks.. now i'm afk until tomorow..
2013-05-02 14:30:51 < SynrG> k. later
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2013-05-02 14:55:02 < chals> dba: first: ack, second: issue reproduced (according to plan), I'll try to find the reason when I have time to look more in detail
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2013-05-03 02:41:42 < twb> I'm a bit confused by 0020-hostname in live-config as at 3.0.23-1.  Why is it setting LINK, INET and INET6, then (apparently) ignoring them to eval LIVE_HOSTNAME?
2013-05-03 02:42:18 < twb> (It's also assuming the interface used is eth0, which won't always be the case.)
2013-05-03 02:46:00 < twb> Hm, based on debian/changelog, I think it's done that way so you can put something like live-config.hostname=ns_$LINK in your boot parameters and it'll magically expand to ns_aabbccddeeff where aabbccddeeff is the MAC address of eth0
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2013-05-03 04:51:22 < twb> In 0170-sysvinit, what's the logic behind disabling tmpfs on /tmp?  Is it just because it's pointless to have tmpfs on top of sq+tmpfs ?
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2013-05-03 04:57:41 < twb> Hm, actually it starts with praises to allah.
2013-05-03 04:58:40 < twb> [two pages of praising allah...] there was a King of the Kings of the Banu S?s?n in the Islands of India and China, a Lord of armies and guards and servants and dependents.[FN#2] He left only two sons, one in the prime of manhood and the other yet a youth, while both were Knights and Braves, albeit the elder was a doughtier horseman than the younger.
2013-05-03 04:58:52 < twb> Oops, wrong channel.
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2013-05-03 07:57:17 < BTS> Opened #706671 in live-config by Daniel Baumann <daniel.bau...@progres...> <<support gconf/gsetting/dconf local-or-global toggle>>. https://bugs.debian.org/706671
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2013-05-03 09:59:50 < twb> SynrG: 19:57 <twb> Added in ec3f57b removed in 7cbadf8
2013-05-03 09:59:58 < twb> They're definitely in those two in live-config repo, anyway.
2013-05-03 10:00:00 < SynrG> yeah, well
2013-05-03 10:00:17 < twb> Maybe related to the bug I just filed about live-config getting confused by the lack of file(1)
2013-05-03 10:00:20 < SynrG> there is "noeject" in live-boot (according to the man page ...)
2013-05-03 10:00:27 < SynrG> is that helpful?
2013-05-03 10:00:49 < twb> I'm about to check the live-boot repo now.  It's less about "what works now" as "when did this change, why, and why didn't I notice"
2013-05-03 10:01:46 < SynrG> well, live-boot does the early boot setup, which would include anything to do with the live media ... logically on shutdown it would be responsible for this
2013-05-03 10:01:57 < twb> this is during shutdown, obviously
2013-05-03 10:02:00 < SynrG> there's no reason live-config should be involved
2013-05-03 10:02:12 < SynrG> so maybe it was added in error, then removed when put properly in live-boot
2013-05-03 10:02:20 < twb> Yeah, probably
2013-05-03 10:03:18 < BTS> Opened #706679 in live-config 3.0.23-1 by Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> <<Missing Depends: file>>. https://bugs.debian.org/706679
2013-05-03 10:03:20 < twb> Hm, easiest way to validate my theory is to just install file
2013-05-03 10:03:50 < twb> If quickreboot works after that, it's somehow caused by the file issue
2013-05-03 10:06:34 < SynrG> ahh. file is Priority: standard.
2013-05-03 10:06:46 < SynrG> probably why it wasn't noticed, since so many images include standard :p
2013-05-03 10:07:00 < twb> Does that invalidate my bug?
2013-05-03 10:07:10 < SynrG> well, reassign to live-boot?
2013-05-03 10:07:18 < SynrG> it doesn't invalidate it, no
2013-05-03 10:07:32 < twb> the file bug isn't in live-boot -- /lib/live/boot-init.sh is part of live-config not live-boot
2013-05-03 10:07:39 < SynrG> oh, ok
2013-05-03 10:07:48 < SynrG> do both require it, then?
2013-05-03 10:07:58 < SynrG> jussec, reading the actual bug :)
2013-05-03 10:08:03 < twb> hee
2013-05-03 10:09:11 < twb> You know, my image is uncompressed 174MB, of which 105MB is /lib/modules/3.8-trunk-amd64 -- over 60% of the image is the kernel modules :-)
2013-05-03 10:09:39 < SynrG> well, this is a bit muddled, isn't it? the script clearly says NOPROMPT, the man page doesn't have any 'prompt' in it anywhere ...
2013-05-03 10:10:03 < SynrG> i would've thought this would be live-boot behaviour ... the live-boot man page says 'noeject' and 'quickreboot' ...
2013-05-03 10:10:11 < twb> SynrG: TBH the live-boot and -config manpages have confused me often enough that I ignore them an RTFS
2013-05-03 10:10:39 < SynrG> yet here we have boot-init.sh containing this "NOPROMPT" thing ... and later, checking for 'noeject' as well!
2013-05-03 10:10:54 < twb> e.g. I remember lh used to have an option like output_formats, but it only took one option but *one day* it might take more, but the manpage didn't make it clear you could only pass one (admittedly that was a few years ago)
2013-05-03 10:11:06 < SynrG> let me make sure my local copies of the man pages are up-to-date ...
2013-05-03 10:11:59 < twb> OK the expr issue is unrelated; it still occurs (and quickreboot is still ignored) after I install file
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2013-05-03 10:21:07 < twb> Say, do you understand what live-config is doing to adjtime ?
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2013-05-03 10:26:24 < SynrG> twb: not without looking. but i understand that live-* should work in an lxc environment, and that "boot time" is a fuzzy concept
2013-05-03 10:26:50 < SynrG> do you want to know the boot time of the image, or the boot time of the underlying server? (probably the former ...)
2013-05-03 10:27:21 < SynrG> i don't know without looking if that has anything to do with your adjtime question though
2013-05-03 10:28:34 < twb> It writes "0 0 0 \n 0 \n UTC" or so to it, which makes util-linux complain during shutdown
2013-05-03 10:28:57 < twb> About the last zero not being UTC or LOCAL  or something
2013-05-03 10:30:00 < twb> I'll see if I can find it again
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2013-05-03 10:31:14 < SynrG> ah
2013-05-03 10:34:14 < twb> OK so it is in boot-init.sh (which is in live-config), that the reboot prompting actually happens.
2013-05-03 10:34:27 < twb> And it looks if $NOPROMPT == yes
2013-05-03 10:35:27 < twb> It also disables prompting if it booted off USB, but not if it booted off network, which is pretty silly
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2013-05-03 11:10:30 < twb> OK, the adjtime thing is as follows: "[info] Saving the system clock.\nhwclock: Warning: unrecognized third line in adjtime file\n(Expected: `UTC' or `LOCAL' or nothing.)"
2013-05-03 11:10:36 < twb> It occurs only if live-config *isn't* used.
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2013-05-03 11:10:50 < twb> When I inspect the file when live-config isn't used, it contains "UTC" but no final newline.
2013-05-03 11:11:09 < twb> So I think that's a bug in util-linux, or possible debootstrap.
2013-05-03 11:11:39 < twb> Hm, that's can't be right.  When I boot it with live-config enabled, it's still missing the final newline
2013-05-03 11:13:09 < twb> Wait, when does Configure_util_linux get invoked?
2013-05-03 11:13:20 < twb> I hate this nest of twisty little shell scripts, all alike
2013-05-03 11:14:37 < twb> I guess it error doesn't appear simply because of live-config doing rm -f /etc/rc?.d/*hwclock*
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2013-05-03 11:33:16 < BTS> Opened #706686 in live-config 3.0.23-1 by Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> <<quickreboot ignored by /lib/live/boot-init.sh>>. https://bugs.debian.org/706686
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2013-05-03 12:37:56 < chals> dba: the research on the netboot issue is going well, it is caused by the "--debian-installer" option. It appears with any configuration, I mean it is not specific to live-images at all
2013-05-03 12:38:20 < chals> I imagine I can narrow it down a little bit to find a fix
2013-05-03 12:39:05 < chals> SynrG: one more entry for the errata page? ^
2013-05-03 12:40:27 < twb> SynrG: fyi the adjtime bug is a bug in util-linux's hwclock.sh init script, I'm reporting it now
2013-05-03 12:41:04 < SynrG> chals: yes, i think so.
2013-05-03 12:41:12 < SynrG> twb: aha. thanks
2013-05-03 12:45:19 < chals> this is strange, I am not using auto/clean but the lb clean command but it does not remove config/* build.log or binary.netboot.tar (I'll look into that later)
2013-05-03 12:46:12 < SynrG> strange? i think that's normal for lb clean without auto/clean
2013-05-03 12:46:28 < SynrG> lb clean only removes build products, not auto products
2013-05-03 12:46:53 < SynrG> that is, if auto/config or auto/build create something, auto/clean removes them
2013-05-03 12:48:35 < twb> https://bugs.debian.org/706679 706686 706691 706693 <-- today's bugs, yay for testing
2013-05-03 12:48:52 < twb> Now I seriously need to rack out; it's nearly 11PM.  G'nite
2013-05-03 12:49:01 < chals> SynrG: oh no wonder I didn't get it. Well, thanks
2013-05-03 12:51:30 < SynrG> twb: gnite. and thanks for the bugs
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2013-05-03 14:50:05 < chals> I do not know why I was absolutely convinced that lb clean cleaned the configuration files under config/ Perhaps because I'm used to see rm -f config/* and rm -f build.log in auto/clean scripts :)
2013-05-03 14:51:10 < SynrG> ah
2013-05-03 14:51:11 < SynrG> :)
2013-05-03 14:51:13 < chals> but anyway perhaps the --binary option should remove binary*.tar instead of binary*.tar.gz in netboot 
2013-05-03 14:51:14 < SynrG> probably
2013-05-03 14:51:36 < chals> I'm looking now at the clean script 
2013-05-03 14:51:43  * SynrG nods
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2013-05-04 08:48:34 < f-hauri> Hi, there. I'm trying to build debian-live that could boot with: .1 no persitent, .2 encrypted live-re and/or .3 another unencrypted live-rw. to be choosen at syslinux boot prompt... Searching for ideas or way of doing (howto)...
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2013-05-04 15:20:46 < haylo_> I am thinking if there would be any benefit, to a second or tertiary chroot enviornment, where a user could enter and automatically compile a custom kernel for the machine they are on.
2013-05-04 15:21:23 < haylo_> its offtopic, but im not sure the guys on #d-offtopic even need to think about that this early in the morning/weekend
2013-05-04 15:22:35 < haylo_> anyway, just a fun idea I am gong to work on some today, but maybe it has no real application for lb
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2013-05-04 16:25:02 < kozmo> Somewhere either during the build process or during the boot process my live system is overwriting resolv.conf and preventig unbound for working properly.
2013-05-04 16:25:48 < kozmo> I remember I had a problem getting unbound to work properly on my host system, a configuration issue, although I forgot exactly what that was now.
2013-05-04 16:26:15 < kozmo> Anybody familiar with getting unbound to work with live build?
2013-05-04 16:28:02 < kozmo> BTW, the unbound daemon is installed, and running it just that reslov.conf gets set up at some point to use my ISP's name servers, and if I rewrite resolv.conf to point to 127.0.0.1, and restart networking, then unbound works as it should.
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2013-05-04 16:54:19 < kozmo> Maybe the problem is something else that just rewrites resolv.conf either at build or boot time.
2013-05-04 17:09:48 < haylo_> kozmo: sometimes when i cat /etc/resolv.conf it has a message saying not to modify the file
2013-05-04 17:10:21 < haylo_> i think it is one of these files you want to not adjust yourself these days.
2013-05-04 17:10:55 < haylo_> and let other programs do it, and in turn, they should have global settings that will over write the file in question themselves if need be
2013-05-04 17:11:24 < haylo_> dont take my word on that, just my thoughts. that this program has a global file that might help
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2013-05-04 17:17:15 < kozmo> Yes, supposedly resolv.conf is produced by something else at boot time.  As I think about it more is beginning to come back to me.  I remember I had to build unbound to get it to startup right.
2013-05-04 17:17:52 < haylo_> i think it gets made during the dhcp request
2013-05-04 17:19:01 < kozmo> I also have to remember to convert my custom package builds to packages so I can avoid the need to reinvent them again later.
2013-05-04 17:19:36 < haylo_> for you, a hoook to set the password, and remove the networking / make modifications, would solve 90 percent of your issues
2013-05-04 17:19:57 < haylo_> just because you use the systems yourself only, and like to build very creativly
2013-05-04 17:21:39 < haylo_> that stuff should all be part of the live-config package
2013-05-04 17:23:04 < haylo_> if you cant make a proper hook, hijack your cammands into on of the example hooks until you figure out how they work
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2013-05-04 17:39:32 < kozmo> Well, a bandid approach would just be to rewrite resolv.conf and restart unbound at some point.
2013-05-04 17:43:47 < haylo_> a way to use live-builds already in place mechanisms is always best. That way we dont drive the devs nuts
2013-05-04 17:43:55 < haylo_> so your idea is probably better
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2013-05-04 18:19:05 < kozmo> I'm sure it just a configuration thing.  It may require the I make a custom compile of unbound again.  I doubt it has anything to do with live build directly.
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2013-05-04 23:14:27 < kozmo> unbound issued solved is solved.  It was a configuration matter in dhclient.conf.
2013-05-04 23:15:51 < chrisb_> good
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2013-05-05 06:08:59 < dba> SynrG: morning; now that ftp.d.o has wheezy=stable, i can start building the images..
2013-05-05 06:13:54 < irker293> git: mail live-images:debian * a116443 / : Splitting up dkms package lists in an install and a live-only part. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=a116443
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2013-05-05 06:13:55 < irker293> git: mail live-images:debian * e0fd3fc / VERSION debian/changelog manpages/de/live-images.de.7 manpages/en/live-images.7 manpages/po/de/live-images.7.po manpages/pot/live-images.7.pot: Releasing debian version 4.0~a16-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0fd3fc
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2013-05-05 06:47:19 < chals> dba: Is it too late to build the netboot images? I mean I think I have found the problem and I can easily fix it
2013-05-05 06:54:19 < dba> chals: depends, what is it?
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2013-05-05 06:56:14 < chals> it basically is a missing wildcard in the binary_syslinux script, but adding it triggers another small bug that has an easy fix too, I found it yesterday but I had to test it and it seems to work fine
2013-05-05 06:57:17 < dba> that requires new live-build, so that's too late for 7.0; but can you commit the fix to live-build:debian-next
2013-05-05 06:57:22 < dba> so we can fix that for 7.0.1.
2013-05-05 06:58:03 < chals> dba: great, I'll do it in an hour, is that ok?
2013-05-05 06:59:22 < dba> doesn't hurry
2013-05-05 07:00:01 < chals> good, so I can make another test to ensure it does not break other stuff
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2013-05-05 10:25:36 < SynrG> dba: super
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2013-05-05 10:26:28 < SynrG> i see standard and rescue are done
2013-05-05 10:31:27 < SynrG> nabbing standard to test
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2013-05-05 11:01:20 < SynrG> for the umpteenth time. doing a wheezy install :)
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2013-05-05 15:34:01 < pabs> btw folks, please propose a dent/tweet when the live images are ready. http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Publicity/Identica
2013-05-05 15:36:01 < SynrG> k
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2013-05-06 05:04:07 < dba> SynrG: all images built, doing checksums now, testing later, if good signing them and sending announcement.
2013-05-06 05:04:37 < dba> (will take about a couple of hours)
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2013-05-06 05:46:29 < dba> the full build-time for the two sets (official and official+nonfree) serially (whereas amd64 and i386 have been build in parallel) has taken a little bit more than 16 hours on the quite decent buildd;
2013-05-06 05:47:00 < dba> had we build netboot too, it would have taken a little bit more than 24 hours.
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2013-05-06 08:28:33 < SynrG> dba: good. crossing my fingers. :)
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2013-05-06 08:45:14 < twb> You know how you can say in boot: live-config=foo,bar to only run the foo and bar parts -- can I put that in /etc/ instead?
2013-05-06 08:47:49 < twb> In /etc/live/config.conf I think...
2013-05-06 08:52:12 < twb> Yes, looks like LIVE_CONFIGS=foo,bar will work just fine
2013-05-06 08:52:31 < twb> for _CONFIG in $(echo ${LIVE_CONFIGS} | sed -e 's|,| |g'); do _SCRIPTS="${_SCRIPTS} $(ls /lib/live/config/????-${_CONFIG} 2> /dev/null || true)"; done
2013-05-06 09:09:27 < BTS> Opened #706926 in live-config 3.0.23-1 by Gaudenz Steinlin (gaudenz) <<Remove persistent CD udev rules>>. https://bugs.debian.org/706926
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2013-05-06 10:11:55 < __hramrach> hello
2013-05-06 10:12:10 < __hramrach> anybody using icewm?
2013-05-06 10:12:17 < twb> Not since about 2002
2013-05-06 10:12:24 < twb> What's the real question
2013-05-06 10:12:29 < __hramrach> I use it in live image
2013-05-06 10:12:42 < __hramrach> placed /etc/X11/icewm/menu in chroot
2013-05-06 10:12:49 < __hramrach> and it's not in the image
2013-05-06 10:13:14 < twb> That sound like a live-build question, which I can't answer.  Wait patiently for someone else.
2013-05-06 10:13:19 < __hramrach> seems missing from squashfs already
2013-05-06 10:13:30 < twb> You can check that with unsquashfs -ls
2013-05-06 10:13:53 < SynrG> you mean config/includes.chroot/etc/X11/icewm/menu ?
2013-05-06 10:14:07 < SynrG> or a hook that populates it there? or ...
2013-05-06 10:14:45 < twb> I'm guessing he added it directly
2013-05-06 10:15:27 < SynrG> chals: uh ...
2013-05-06 10:15:29 < SynrG> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#3
2013-05-06 10:15:38 < SynrG> This manual serves as a single access point to all documentation related to the Live Systems project and in particular applies to the software produced by the project for the Debian 8.0 "jessie" release. 
2013-05-06 10:15:42 < SynrG> hmmm
2013-05-06 10:16:00 < twb> I jessie guaranteed to be 8.0??
2013-05-06 10:16:07 < twb> Oops, double-bounced the ?
2013-05-06 10:16:18 < SynrG> that's not the point
2013-05-06 10:16:22 < SynrG> /manual/3.x
2013-05-06 10:16:41 < dba> SynrG: i'll be 'rotating' the manual stuff later on today
2013-05-06 10:16:44 < SynrG> at live.debian.net the 'stable' pointer points here
2013-05-06 10:16:51 < SynrG> dba: ok :)
2013-05-06 10:17:01 < SynrG> dba: thanks. so this is just a temporary glitch
2013-05-06 10:17:15 < SynrG> that's really debian-next right now and should be debian-old-3.0, in other words
2013-05-06 10:17:26 < __hramrach> but adding extra hook at chroot time show the file present
2013-05-06 10:17:37 < twb> dba: did you see my /msg from a couple of hours ago?
2013-05-06 10:18:12 < __hramrach> I added it both in includes and created with a chroot hook
2013-05-06 10:18:22 < dba> twb: yes, but it's not a security issue.
2013-05-06 10:18:26 < twb> OK.
2013-05-06 10:18:29 < twb> I'll just report it normally then
2013-05-06 10:18:31 < dba> twb: it's a normal bug.
2013-05-06 10:19:10 < twb> I thought it might be if an daemon was using snakeoil (which would be dumb, I grant you) because then I could MITM anyone using a live server using that daemon
2013-05-06 10:21:42 < irker200> git: mail live-config:debian-next * 4c4da39 / : Correcting name for ssl-cert script. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c4da39
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2013-05-06 10:24:31 < __hramrach> I get this in build log:
2013-05-06 10:24:33 < __hramrach> + cp /etc/X11/icewm/toolbar /etc/X11/icewm/menu
2013-05-06 10:24:35 < __hramrach> cp: `/etc/X11/icewm/toolbar' and `/etc/X11/icewm/menu' are the same file
2013-05-06 10:24:58 < __hramrach> but /etc/X11/icewm/menu is not in chroot and not in squashfs
2013-05-06 10:25:42 < dba> are you doing that in a hook?
2013-05-06 10:25:51 < __hramrach> yes, chroot hook
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2013-05-06 10:30:23 < BTS> Opened #706933 in live-config 3.0.23-1 by Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> <<1100-sslcert checks for wrong package; snakeoil cert is not regenerated>>. https://bugs.debian.org/706933
2013-05-06 10:31:30 < irker200> git: mail live-build:debian-next * a55016c / scripts/build/binary_manifest scripts/build/chroot scripts/build/clean: Adding ls -lR files as .files output. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=a55016c
2013-05-06 10:31:58 < SynrG> __hramrach: hm, that error looks something like touch a && ln -s a b && cp a b (or b a)
2013-05-06 10:32:39 < SynrG> __hramrach: what is your hook named?
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2013-05-06 10:33:15 < SynrG> does your host system have both paths (one as a symlink pointing at the other)?
2013-05-06 10:33:25 < SynrG> it looks like it is erroneously run as a binary hook
2013-05-06 10:33:52 < SynrG> your build system, i mean
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2013-05-06 11:11:11 < dba> 7.0 signed, announcement sent..
2013-05-06 11:20:32 < SynrG> yay!
2013-05-06 11:20:40 < SynrG> thanks
2013-05-06 11:20:58 < SynrG> dba: and the dent pabs requested?
2013-05-06 11:21:16 < SynrG> 12:34 < pabs> btw folks, please propose a dent/tweet when the live images are ready. http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Publicity/Identica
2013-05-06 11:22:05 < SynrG> ah, except "ready" is after they're synced
2013-05-06 11:22:09 < SynrG> so maybe premature for that
2013-05-06 11:22:23 < dba> i leave that in your capable hands ;)
2013-05-06 11:23:12 < SynrG> yup. we probably don't want to kill performance of live.d.n by attracting a lot of attention until syncing is done
2013-05-06 11:23:22 < dba> doesn't matter that much
2013-05-06 11:23:55 < dba> the box had constantly over 400mbit since yesterday morning (when i moved the first standard/rescue images to the download directory)
2013-05-06 11:24:08 < SynrG> nice
2013-05-06 11:24:12 < dba> it's gbit, so there's some bw left.
2013-05-06 11:24:15 < SynrG> yeah
2013-05-06 11:27:27 < dba> .oO(otoh, i start paying for traffic when passing 10tb/month (10.- per additional TB), we're now at 4.5tb)
2013-05-06 11:28:28 < dba> funny thing is to watch the apache logs..
2013-05-06 11:29:16 < dba> (right now, office.oslo.opera.com is fetching all images it seems :)
2013-05-06 11:31:48 < dba> there are 27264 iso downloads so far, 22493 regular ones and 4789 nonfree ones.
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2013-05-06 12:03:20 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:debian-next * e8782ad / scripts/boot/9990-cmdline-old: Correcting leftovers from old variable handling for BOOTIF, thanks to Andrew Jeffery <andrewj@avalon.com.au> (Closes: #703743). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8782ad
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2013-05-06 12:06:56 < irker162> git: andrewj live-boot:debian-next * 10f4622 / scripts/boot/9990-networking.sh scripts/boot/9990-select-eth-device.sh: Select BOOTIF device if defined for netboot (Closes: #703744). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=10f4622
2013-05-06 12:11:33 < irker162> git: andrewj live-boot:debian-next * 414e462 / scripts/boot/9990-mount-cifs.sh: Don't quote $CIFSOPTS for mount.cifs (Closes: #703746). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=414e462
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2013-05-06 12:20:24 < chals> SynrG: re: live-manual: oh, right 
2013-05-06 12:20:35 < irker162> git: peter.schaefer live-boot:debian * 5765453 / scripts/boot/9990-misc-helpers.sh: Adding support for luks persistence with persistence files (Closes: #701614). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=5765453
2013-05-06 12:20:36 < irker162> git: davidahare live-boot:debian * 9710dc2 / scripts/boot/9990-misc-helpers.sh: Also blacklisting findiso and fromiso devices for luks file persistence. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=9710dc2
2013-05-06 12:21:29 < chals> I'm going to download an xfce image to substitute my old squeeze pendrive os, it is about time after 2 years
2013-05-06 12:23:52 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:debian * 5b9a3a3 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a11-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b9a3a3
2013-05-06 12:23:52 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:4.0_a11-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a11-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 12:29:50 < SynrG> chals: just to clarify, nothing for you to do there, except be aware it's out of sync until daniel fixes it
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2013-05-06 12:34:10 < chals> SynrG: ok, thanks
2013-05-06 12:37:51 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:pristine-tar * b8592cf / live-boot_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.delta live-boot_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8592cf
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2013-05-06 12:37:52 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:pristine-tar * 1aee89f / live-boot_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.delta live-boot_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a3. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=1aee89f
2013-05-06 12:37:53 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:pristine-tar * 932e95d / live-boot_4.0~a4.orig.tar.xz.delta live-boot_4.0~a4.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=932e95d
2013-05-06 12:37:53 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:pristine-tar * f78da6d / live-boot_4.0~a5.orig.tar.xz.delta live-boot_4.0~a5.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a5. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=f78da6d
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2013-05-06 12:37:56 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:pristine-tar * 45c0fa8 / live-boot_4.0~a9.orig.tar.xz.delta live-boot_4.0~a9.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a9. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=45c0fa8
2013-05-06 12:37:56 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:pristine-tar * 49308b4 / live-boot_4.0~a10.orig.tar.xz.delta live-boot_4.0~a10.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a10. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=49308b4
2013-05-06 12:37:58 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:pristine-tar * 527c811 / live-boot_4.0~a11.orig.tar.xz.delta live-boot_4.0~a11.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a11. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=527c811
2013-05-06 12:37:58 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:upstream * 392008a / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=392008a
2013-05-06 12:38:00 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:upstream * 66eca23 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a2. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=66eca23
2013-05-06 12:38:00 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:upstream * 0bcd6dd / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a3. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bcd6dd
2013-05-06 12:38:02 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:upstream * 4a5a841 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a5a841
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2013-05-06 12:38:06 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:upstream * 919b32d / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a8. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=919b32d
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2013-05-06 12:38:08 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:upstream * e3b11d9 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a11. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3b11d9
2013-05-06 12:38:10 < irker162> git: mail live-boot:4.0_a1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a11-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
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2013-05-06 12:48:45 < BTS> live-boot 4.0~a11-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> (Closes: #701614, #703743, #703744, #703746) https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-boot
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2013-05-06 12:52:47 < mafios> hi
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2013-05-06 12:53:14 < mafios> I have tried gnome64bit, lxde32bit and lxde64bit from live.debian.net of 7.0
2013-05-06 12:53:28 < mafios> and none will boot to desktop, I am left with a blank screen
2013-05-06 12:53:40 < mafios> please any help
2013-05-06 12:54:04 < mafios> I use 6100 geforce onboard graphics card
2013-05-06 12:54:59 < haylo> even if you boot into recovery mode ?
2013-05-06 12:55:09 < SynrG> url please
2013-05-06 12:55:09 < mafios> yes haylo 
2013-05-06 12:55:16 < mafios> one sec
2013-05-06 12:56:00 < mafios> from here: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/i386/iso-hybrid/
2013-05-06 12:56:02 < mafios> and here:
2013-05-06 12:56:16 < mafios> http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/amd64/iso-hybrid/
2013-05-06 12:56:57 < mafios> while latest on debian.org works
2013-05-06 12:57:04 < mafios> used on usbstick
2013-05-06 12:57:07 < mafios> with unetbootin
2013-05-06 12:57:15 < mafios> I want to boot these live isos from a usbstick
2013-05-06 12:57:26 < mafios> and use persistence etx2 partition live-rw
2013-05-06 12:57:35 < mafios> like I use now with 6.x debian live
2013-05-06 12:57:50 < SynrG> don't use unetbootin
2013-05-06 12:57:53 < mafios> haven't tried the persistent option cause it won't boot without it
2013-05-06 12:57:56 < mafios> what to use then?
2013-05-06 12:58:03 < mafios> to copy it to usb stick?
2013-05-06 12:58:06 < mafios> please
2013-05-06 12:58:10 < SynrG> from which OS?
2013-05-06 12:58:15 < mafios> debian 6.x
2013-05-06 12:58:48 < SynrG> cp nameofimage.iso /dev/sdx (where /dev/sdx is the device, e.g. sdc, or whatever, of your USB)
2013-05-06 12:59:33 < mafios> I will try it thanks SynrG 
2013-05-06 12:59:37 < SynrG> and afterwards:
2013-05-06 12:59:38 < SynrG> sync
2013-05-06 12:59:50 < mafios> sync a terminal command?
2013-05-06 12:59:54 < SynrG> i.e. make sure all blocks are flushed before yanking the usb
2013-05-06 13:00:12 < mafios> sync is a terminal command?
2013-05-06 13:00:14 < SynrG> also if the free image doesn't work on your card, try:
2013-05-06 13:00:17 < SynrG> http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/7.0.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
2013-05-06 13:00:50 < mafios> ok 
2013-05-06 13:00:51 < SynrG> yes
2013-05-06 13:01:08 < mafios> so cp and sync commands
2013-05-06 13:01:12 < mafios> and take out the usb stick?
2013-05-06 13:01:36 < mafios> if I try sync now on my terminal
2013-05-06 13:01:41 < mafios> see if it works , will it be any bad?>
2013-05-06 13:02:26 < SynrG> sync is harmless
2013-05-06 13:02:36 < SynrG> it informs the OS to flush any dirty buffers
2013-05-06 13:02:42 < mafios> nice
2013-05-06 13:02:46 < SynrG> the OS would normally do that anyway, periodically
2013-05-06 13:03:51 < mafios> ok 
2013-05-06 13:03:58 < mafios> be back with news
2013-05-06 13:04:01 < SynrG> k
2013-05-06 13:04:08 < mafios> thanks again
2013-05-06 13:05:00 < SynrG> np. eager to hear how it turns out
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2013-05-06 13:05:35 < babilen> We've just had a user in #d who was confused about https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ (no wheezy images on cdimage.d.o) vs http://live.debian.net/
2013-05-06 13:06:03 < babilen> Or https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/ vs http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/
2013-05-06 13:06:06 < SynrG> live.debian.net is the development system.
2013-05-06 13:06:16 < SynrG> the images *only* just finished building and being tested this morning
2013-05-06 13:06:22 < SynrG> a sync request to debian-cd has been filed
2013-05-06 13:06:23 < babilen> ah, okay :)
2013-05-06 13:06:27 < mafios> hey SynrG 
2013-05-06 13:06:31 < SynrG> when they are synced they will be in the official location
2013-05-06 13:06:31 < mafios> what filesystem 
2013-05-06 13:06:35 < mafios> I need to format to?
2013-05-06 13:06:40 < SynrG> mafios: you don't.
2013-05-06 13:06:46 < mafios> to host the iso file?
2013-05-06 13:06:53 < babilen> SynrG: Wonderful -- Wanted to pass it on in case it was an oversight. :)
2013-05-06 13:06:54 < SynrG> that's not what it's doing
2013-05-06 13:06:54 < mafios> I want persistent usb
2013-05-06 13:07:03 < mafios> first and second etx2 partition
2013-05-06 13:07:07 < SynrG> you'll deal with that afterwards.
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2013-05-06 13:07:22 < mafios> so now
2013-05-06 13:07:24 < SynrG> first, make it work. later, modify the USB to add a persistence partition as per doc.
2013-05-06 13:07:25 < mafios> I copy the iso
2013-05-06 13:07:30 < mafios> to usb
2013-05-06 13:07:37 < mafios> but the partition of usb needs to be ?
2013-05-06 13:07:41 < SynrG> yes, it wipes the whole USB contents.
2013-05-06 13:07:52 < mafios> this is to create an installation usb?
2013-05-06 13:07:54 < mafios> ah ok
2013-05-06 13:07:56 < SynrG> nothing. the image contains a partition.
2013-05-06 13:08:00 < chals> babilen: https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2013/05/msg00016.html
2013-05-06 13:08:01 < mafios> the cp command?
2013-05-06 13:08:08 < mafios> what wipes it?
2013-05-06 13:08:23 < mafios> I will try it now
2013-05-06 13:08:27 < SynrG> yes, it replaces the whole USB contents, boot sector, partition table and all
2013-05-06 13:08:35 < mafios> just using the cp command?
2013-05-06 13:08:46 < mafios> cp *.iso /dev/sbd1?
2013-05-06 13:09:40 < mafios> I will try it
2013-05-06 13:09:40 < SynrG> no
2013-05-06 13:09:43 < SynrG> no.
2013-05-06 13:09:56 < SynrG> 09:58 < SynrG> cp nameofimage.iso /dev/sdx (where /dev/sdx is the device, e.g. sdc, or whatever, of your USB)
2013-05-06 13:10:01 < SynrG> mafios: ^^
2013-05-06 13:10:04 < mafios> what
2013-05-06 13:10:09 < SynrG> no partition number
2013-05-06 13:10:11 < mafios> I want to make a persistent usb
2013-05-06 13:10:14 < mafios> with 2 partitions
2013-05-06 13:10:25 < mafios> the live image and an ext2 live-rw called partition
2013-05-06 13:10:27 < SynrG> 10:07 < SynrG> you'll deal with that afterwards.
2013-05-06 13:10:32 < mafios> now ?
2013-05-06 13:10:38 < mafios> non partitioned
2013-05-06 13:10:51 < mafios> and cp *.iso /dev/sdb?
2013-05-06 13:10:52 < SynrG> not partitioned now. make that work. it's pointless to do any more until you make this work.
2013-05-06 13:10:54 < SynrG> yup
2013-05-06 13:10:59 < mafios> cool
2013-05-06 13:11:04 < mafios> trying it now
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2013-05-06 13:13:31 < mafios> will I need persistent partition?
2013-05-06 13:13:40 < mafios> or this can work like an installed ubuntu?
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2013-05-06 13:14:43 < dba> babilen: jftr, unlike the 'simple' thing of copying some debs into an iso image for d-i installation images, installing them into a chroot to make a live system image out of it takes much more (buildd) time
2013-05-06 13:15:16 < mafios> ubuntu=debian
2013-05-06 13:15:19 < dba> babilen: (apt/dpkg etc. are not particulary fast, although we apply all sorts of hacks to speed things up.)
2013-05-06 13:15:59 < babilen> dba: Yeah, I absolutely have no problem with that. It's just that ever since I encountered missing firmware images a couple of weeks back and people were actually happy to be told (oh, forgot to copy those) that i rather ping people when a problem arises than shut up ;)
2013-05-06 13:16:21 < SynrG> mafios: *if* it boots ok, you can repartition afterwards to add your partition for persistence, *however* you need to boot with 'persistence' parameter
2013-05-06 13:16:38 < mafios> yes
2013-05-06 13:16:42 < SynrG> (of course, when you add that partition, you also make a filesystem on it and label it)
2013-05-06 13:16:51 < mafios> but is it needed the persistent space?
2013-05-06 13:17:01 < mafios> or it works as well now to create a folder and save it?
2013-05-06 13:17:08 < SynrG> i don't understand
2013-05-06 13:17:27 < mafios> will I now be able to create a folder, reboot, and the folder will be therE?
2013-05-06 13:17:30 < mafios> there
2013-05-06 13:17:37 < SynrG> no.
2013-05-06 13:17:40 < mafios> ok
2013-05-06 13:17:50 < SynrG> all changes are made in the tmpfs and discarded
2013-05-06 13:17:50 < lcapriotti> dba: would you have any reason not to backport http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commit;h=d766063e128b6f51df58e90956f462343ca3808d into 3.x ?
2013-05-06 13:18:00 < dba> babilen: sure, i was just giving the (one of the) reason(s) why 'debian-live is always last in the release doings'.
2013-05-06 13:18:24 < mafios> and how to resize this partition now?
2013-05-06 13:18:26 < babilen> dba: And I do appreciate it :D
2013-05-06 13:18:29 < mafios> gnome-disk-utility can do it?
2013-05-06 13:18:56 < dba> lcapriotti: personally i'm not interested in doing that
2013-05-06 13:19:18 < SynrG> mafios: i have not tried modifying the boot parameters with the new xorriso images, by the way. i don't know if that part works. but yes, you can repartition with whatever your favourite tool that does that is (i don't know gnome-disk-utility, but it sounds like it might)
2013-05-06 13:19:19 < dba> lcapriotti: (and in future, those things will go away in 4.x completely anyway, it's wrong to have this sort of thing in live-build itself)
2013-05-06 13:19:44 < lcapriotti> dba, fair enough
2013-05-06 13:20:18 < mafios> used 4.9GB\
2013-05-06 13:20:20 < mafios> its correct?
2013-05-06 13:20:35 < mafios> little confused
2013-05-06 13:20:58 < mafios> ok
2013-05-06 13:21:03 < mafios> used
2013-05-06 13:21:06 < mafios> 939mb
2013-05-06 13:21:15 < dba> lcapriotti: also, it's really not needed anywhere, except for .disk/* files on the image and for the Release files within the debian-installer .deb pools
2013-05-06 13:21:26 < mafios> be back
2013-05-06 13:21:37 < dba> lcapriotti: i assume you don't do either of them, so it shouldn't worry you in the first place.
2013-05-06 13:21:38 < lcapriotti> I C, tks
2013-05-06 13:21:53 < lcapriotti> well .disk seems to be needed for casper to boot
2013-05-06 13:22:06 < mafios> SynrG: thanks, going to try and boot now
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2013-05-06 13:22:31 < dba> lcapriotti: if that's the case, then you can include a static .disk/* in binary_includes
2013-05-06 13:22:45 < SynrG> dba: is rewriting boot parameters in a xorriso image possible? iso is read-only, so i suspect not. and in that case, do we still tell persistence users "build your own .img" or some other process to permanently specify "persistence" for their image?
2013-05-06 13:22:46 < dba> (or includes.binary if newer live-build)
2013-05-06 13:23:35 < dba> SynrG: don't know, haven't tried, but i suspect it's read-only..
2013-05-06 13:24:06 < SynrG> i mean, people could tear apart the iso and reassemble to a read/writable usb
2013-05-06 13:24:19 < SynrG> (but would have to s/isolinux/extlinux/ or so)
2013-05-06 13:24:56 < dba> ah, right; but that is something we shouldn't advice people to do
2013-05-06 13:24:57 < SynrG> or else use grub and configure to boot from iso located in a filesystem on a separate read-write partition ...
2013-05-06 13:25:07 < dba> building a new one is better/more fault-proof
2013-05-06 13:25:54 < SynrG> and so the next question is the readiness of live-build.d.n to handle such builds (all up-to-date with the release/pointing at right repo, etc.)
2013-05-06 13:26:03 < SynrG> unixabg: ^^? :)
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2013-05-06 13:39:59 < SynrG> dba: how is live.d.n holding up? i'm finding just browsing from one dir to the next in my web browser under /cdimage takes a very long time (multiple seconds per click)
2013-05-06 13:40:11 < SynrG> is this just me?
2013-05-06 13:40:35 < dba> 423mbit
2013-05-06 13:40:50 < dba> load average: 1.72, 1.75, 1.73
2013-05-06 13:40:58 < dba> all quite calm, np
2013-05-06 13:41:28 < SynrG> bandwidth is fine. i'm getting about 20s delay on each request. smells DNSey
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2013-05-06 13:41:44 < Guest4485> SynrG: hi. it boots
2013-05-06 13:41:55 < Guest4485> SynrG: but persistent etx2 partition won't work
2013-05-06 13:41:56 < SynrG> Guest4485: that's the free or non-free image?
2013-05-06 13:42:15 < Guest4485> SynrG: can I do anything to make it work? I used the persistent word in boot option
2013-05-06 13:42:30 < Guest4485> SynrG: but my changes are not saved
2013-05-06 13:42:43 < SynrG> did you repartition and label properly? it's not 'persistent' anymore. check the docs. it's 'persistence'
2013-05-06 13:42:53 < Guest4485> my partition is "etx2" and called "live-rw"
2013-05-06 13:43:02 < SynrG> no. that's the old scheme
2013-05-06 13:43:03 < Guest4485> it repartitioned itself on first boot
2013-05-06 13:43:11 < Guest4485> I then created an etx2 partition
2013-05-06 13:43:24 < SynrG> 10:43 < Guest4485> it repartitioned itself on first boot
2013-05-06 13:43:29 < SynrG> ^^ i can't make sense of this statement
2013-05-06 13:43:54 < Guest4485> ok trying a good with "persistence" option
2013-05-06 13:43:58 < Guest4485> and be back
2013-05-06 13:44:29 < SynrG> and label
2013-05-06 13:44:31 < SynrG> as per http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#529
2013-05-06 13:44:35 < Guest4485> live-rw?
2013-05-06 13:44:54 < SynrG> pleas just read the doc. no, not live-rw.
2013-05-06 13:45:10 < SynrG> please*
2013-05-06 13:45:16 < SynrG> and you didn't answer:
2013-05-06 13:45:19 < SynrG> 10:41 < SynrG> Guest4485: that's the free or non-free image?
2013-05-06 13:45:43 < dba> SynrG: re dns, try the ip instead of hostname? if persists.. i could turn-up the max. apache processes, but as far as i could see there was no need for that yet
2013-05-06 13:45:59 < SynrG> dba: sec ...
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2013-05-06 13:46:47 < SynrG> dba: apache has name-based virtual host. for IP# approach to work in need /etc/hosts ...
2013-05-06 13:47:02 < dba> it has
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2013-05-06 13:47:52 < dba> ah, but it's going to the wrong vhost
2013-05-06 13:48:40 < Guest4485> SynrG: I need to specify the label as well as a boot option?
2013-05-06 13:48:56 < Guest4485> persistence persistence-label=work like this?
2013-05-06 13:49:24 < SynrG> no. you can just use the default label 'persistence' and then you don't need that option.
2013-05-06 13:49:41 < SynrG> you're welcome to label it however you want ... but then you have to specify more stuff in your boot options.
2013-05-06 13:49:48 < SynrG> just using default is simplest
2013-05-06 13:49:51 < Guest4485> so changing label to = "persistence"
2013-05-06 13:49:58 < SynrG> exactly. as per doc.
2013-05-06 13:49:59 < Guest4485> and using "persistence" boot option
2013-05-06 13:50:04 < Guest4485> can work?
2013-05-06 13:50:25 < Guest4485> ok
2013-05-06 13:50:34 < SynrG> that should work fine. you have to specify 'persistence' boot option every time you boot.
2013-05-06 13:50:40 < Guest4485> yes
2013-05-06 13:50:47 < Guest4485> SynrG: thanks , trying and bb
2013-05-06 13:50:52 < SynrG> np. later
2013-05-06 13:51:05 < Guest4485> its etx2 though
2013-05-06 13:51:11 < Guest4485> etx2 still is supported?
2013-05-06 13:52:17 < Guest4485> bb going to try it
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2013-05-06 13:52:59 < SynrG> dba: still 20 or more seconds turn-around just to get a /cdimage directory listing (i exited and restarted my web browser in case it has its own caching of names). using /etc/hosts entry for live.debian.net and live-systems.org
2013-05-06 13:54:26 < SynrG> dba: ~24s last time i checked. both from home and office. at office i have /etc/hosts and home i do not.
2013-05-06 13:54:34 < dba> not good :(
2013-05-06 13:54:35 < SynrG> i mean, override in
2013-05-06 13:54:39 < SynrG> yeah
2013-05-06 13:54:45 < dba> wonder what it could be
2013-05-06 13:54:54 < SynrG> dunno. bandwidth, as i said, is fine
2013-05-06 13:55:02 < SynrG> i have a wget of the gnome image running ...
2013-05-06 13:55:19 < SynrG> between 500KB/s and 600KB/s
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2013-05-06 13:57:05 < dba> SynrG: i cranked up the number of apache workers, better now?
2013-05-06 13:59:26 < SynrG> sec
2013-05-06 13:59:41 < SynrG> perfect!
2013-05-06 13:59:44 < SynrG> nice and zippy now
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2013-05-06 13:59:55 < user__> SynrG: it won't work
2013-05-06 14:00:22 < user__> SynrG: labeled the partition "persistence" then added "persistence" among the boot options
2013-05-06 14:00:56 < user__> SynrG: but its not even mounted at boot
2013-05-06 14:02:02 < SynrG> user__: if you did the steps properly, that should work.
2013-05-06 14:02:16 < user__> I renamed the partition with a random debian tool
2013-05-06 14:02:21 < user__> just that nothing else
2013-05-06 14:02:30 < user__> I did it with gnome-disk-utility package
2013-05-06 14:02:44 < user__> if you can please give the url once again please
2013-05-06 14:02:46 < user__> to note it
2013-05-06 14:02:53 < user__> cause I didn't and it erased
2013-05-06 14:02:56 < user__> from my os
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2013-05-06 14:04:56 < SynrG> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#529
2013-05-06 14:09:10 < user__> I labeled it persistence
2013-05-06 14:09:18 < user__> and called the persistence boot option
2013-05-06 14:09:24 < user__> are it more needed?
2013-05-06 14:09:36 < user__> labeled it =labeled the partition
2013-05-06 14:09:44 < SynrG> should be fine
2013-05-06 14:09:50 < user__> it doesn't work
2013-05-06 14:09:55 < user__> :(
2013-05-06 14:10:05 < user__> with:
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2013-05-06 14:10:17 < user__> lxde 32bit 
2013-05-06 14:10:19 < user__> live image
2013-05-06 14:11:24 < user__> hmm if I mount it just once?
2013-05-06 14:11:25 < user__> and reboot
2013-05-06 14:12:37 < SynrG> a) i assume some user error b) no time to help further right now
2013-05-06 14:12:39 < SynrG> good luck
2013-05-06 14:12:57 < user__> thanks SynrG 
2013-05-06 14:13:30 < SynrG> btw, just a general note:
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2013-05-06 14:13:56 < SynrG> using prebuilt iso is probably not best for persistence due to not being able to read/write the boot media to change boot options to permanently include 'persistence'
2013-05-06 14:14:10 < user__> I don't mind typing it every time
2013-05-06 14:14:15  * SynrG nods
2013-05-06 14:14:16 < user__> at every boot I ment
2013-05-06 14:14:31 < SynrG> at some point when i *do* have time, i will test the steps you did.
2013-05-06 14:14:41 < user__> mounted it now the partition
2013-05-06 14:14:45 < user__> added 2 desktop folders
2013-05-06 14:14:47 < user__> and rebooting now
2013-05-06 14:14:49 < user__> bb
2013-05-06 14:14:57 < user__> mounted it for the first time ever
2013-05-06 14:15:00 < user__> rebootingf
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2013-05-06 14:29:02 < user__> tried to format the persinstence partition now to etx4
2013-05-06 14:29:05 < user__> and the same
2013-05-06 14:29:59 < user__> persistence
2013-05-06 14:32:11 < unixabg> SynrG: I have not updated l-b-c.d.n yet.
2013-05-06 14:32:42 < unixabg> still at live-build 3.0.1-1 
2013-05-06 14:34:43 < haylo> user__: did you make the "persistence.conf" file inside of the partition which was labeled "persistence"?
2013-05-06 14:35:00 < user__> no
2013-05-06 14:36:52 < user__> so persistence.conf is an text file containing the words : /usr union 
2013-05-06 14:36:53 < user__> ?
2013-05-06 14:37:09 < haylo> ok, there is a section in the 3.x manual, on how to make a persistence.conf file. http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#551
2013-05-06 14:37:16 < user__> a txt file having these words contained?
2013-05-06 14:37:23 < user__> yes
2013-05-06 14:37:27 < user__> but 
2013-05-06 14:37:27 < haylo> for full persistence it should contain one line:  "/ union"
2013-05-06 14:37:41 < user__> on root of partition?
2013-05-06 14:37:51 < haylo> but it is probably better to learn how to make individual dirs persistent instead. but "/ union" workd
2013-05-06 14:37:56 < haylo> works*
2013-05-06 14:38:03 < user__> I will try it
2013-05-06 14:39:22 < haylo> no, live-boot will look around in a few areas to try and find the "persistnce" partition
2013-05-06 14:40:00 < user__> "/ union" on root of persistence labeled partition, and "persistence" boot option
2013-05-06 14:40:10 < user__> will it be enouph?
2013-05-06 14:40:22 < user__> the /union on persistence.conf I ment
2013-05-06 14:40:31 < user__> this / union
2013-05-06 14:41:02 < haylo> format the partition normally, label it persistence, mount it, put the persistence.conf file in it, unmount it ,  and live-boot will find it
2013-05-06 14:41:23 < user__> ok
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2013-05-06 14:57:49 < user__> it won't work
2013-05-06 14:57:55 < user__> on etx2 and ext4 partitions
2013-05-06 14:58:10 < user__> with the persistence.conf containing "/ union"
2013-05-06 14:58:35 < user__> partition labeled "persistence" and "persistence" boot option
2013-05-06 15:00:13 < user__> I created psersistence.conf with "sudo leafpad"
2013-05-06 15:00:33 < user__> typed "/ union" and saved at the persistence partition
2013-05-06 15:00:40 < user__> at its root
2013-05-06 15:00:43 < user__> correct?
2013-05-06 15:02:15 < user__> unmounted 
2013-05-06 15:02:18 < user__> rebooted
2013-05-06 15:02:25 < user__> and it work
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2013-05-06 15:15:25 < user__> now made a folder called /mnt
2013-05-06 15:15:36 < user__> placed persistence.conf inside
2013-05-06 15:15:46 < user__> tried umount /mnt
2013-05-06 15:15:49 < user__> gave an error
2013-05-06 15:15:51 < user__> rebooted
2013-05-06 15:15:56 < user__> and still it doesn't work
2013-05-06 15:17:04 < user__> umount: /mnt is not mounted (according to mtab)
2013-05-06 15:17:13 < user__> what can I do please?
2013-05-06 15:24:12 < haylo> Did you make sure to boot with the "persistence" boot paramter ? Press tab at the syslinux boot prompt to see the boot paramters and/or edit them.
2013-05-06 15:24:49 < user__> yes I did
2013-05-06 15:25:05 < user__> does persistence.conf need to be on root of the persintence partition?
2013-05-06 15:25:36 < user__> or at any folder on it
2013-05-06 15:26:01 < haylo> thats where i put it. live-boot can point to folders and encrypted partitions as well though.
2013-05-06 15:26:33 < haylo> but for us it is easier just to have it sitting there at the root of the partition, yes.
2013-05-06 15:26:53 < user__> it doesn't work for me
2013-05-06 15:26:58 < user__> with lxde32bit image
2013-05-06 15:27:12 < user__> 7.0 debian
2013-05-06 15:27:24 < haylo> shows me the link you got it from, i will down load it and try myself
2013-05-06 15:27:43 < user__> ok
2013-05-06 15:28:32 < dba> we've crossed the 5TB mark now..
2013-05-06 15:28:38 < user__> http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable/i386/iso-hybrid/
2013-05-06 15:28:48 < user__> lxde version
2013-05-06 15:30:20 < user__> all my steps were
2013-05-06 15:31:03 < haylo> ok user__ , this will take me a few hours to download. but until then, just assume that it works as intended, and keep trouble shooting and retrying with different images /techniques 
2013-05-06 15:31:11 < user__> created and etx2 partition, labeled it "persistence" created the "persistence.conf" file containing "/ union" at root of persistence partition and rebooted
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2013-05-06 15:31:35 < mafios> lets use this nickname
2013-05-06 15:31:49 < mafios> teqniques I know just 1
2013-05-06 15:31:57 < mafios> one you told me
2013-05-06 15:32:02 < mafios> you=you in plural
2013-05-06 15:32:20 < mafios> the umount command
2013-05-06 15:32:22 < mafios> never worked
2013-05-06 15:32:44 < mafios> umount: /mnt is not mounted (according to mtab)
2013-05-06 15:32:47 < mafios> maybe that is the fault?
2013-05-06 15:33:17 < mafios> my steps were typed 1 min ago
2013-05-06 15:33:20 < mafios> that was it
2013-05-06 15:33:26 < mafios> I did nothing more or less
2013-05-06 15:33:46 < haylo> no, you are supposed to be following the 3.x manual
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2013-05-06 15:34:09 < mafios> that is the url a user gave me
2013-05-06 15:34:22 < mafios> give me a correct one
2013-05-06 15:34:39 < haylo> starting at section 10.3 http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#528
2013-05-06 15:37:40 < mafios> ah
2013-05-06 15:37:46 < mafios> I need to manual copy the files?
2013-05-06 15:37:48 < mafios> as well?
2013-05-06 15:37:50 < mafios> with dd?
2013-05-06 15:37:55 < haylo> no
2013-05-06 15:37:57 < mafios> with debian 6.x it wasn't needed
2013-05-06 15:38:04 < mafios> what have I missed then?
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2013-05-06 15:38:08 < mafios> the mounting?
2013-05-06 15:38:29 < haylo> thats an example of how to make a disk image for a persistence partition. dd isnt copying anything in that example
2013-05-06 15:38:51 < mafios> it wasn't needed at debian 6.x
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2013-05-06 15:39:03 < haylo> for you, just use gparted, to make the partition
2013-05-06 15:39:13 < mafios> ok , 
2013-05-06 15:39:46 < mafios> then?
2013-05-06 15:41:31 < mafios> created and etx2 partition, labeled it "persistence" created the "persistence.conf" file containing "/ union" at root of persistence partition and rebooted
2013-05-06 15:41:40 < mafios> isn't this enouph?
2013-05-06 15:41:46 < mafios> I need to copy some files ?
2013-05-06 15:41:53 < mafios> as well and mount and unmount ?
2013-05-06 15:42:42 < haylo> that sounds correct. that is enough
2013-05-06 15:42:50 < mafios> it doesn't work
2013-05-06 15:42:59 < haylo> mount. is so you can write to the device man
2013-05-06 15:43:07 < mafios> lol
2013-05-06 15:43:15 < haylo> otherwise how are you going to make the persistence.conf file ?
2013-05-06 15:43:17 < mafios> it wasn't need on debian 6.x
2013-05-06 15:43:23 < mafios> I have done this
2013-05-06 15:43:24 < mafios> mounted
2013-05-06 15:43:25 < haylo> i know. i liked the old way as well
2013-05-06 15:43:30 < mafios> and created persistence.conf
2013-05-06 15:43:38 < haylo> but this is actually better. and if you can get the old way to work, you can do this as well
2013-05-06 15:43:41 < mafios> but after a reboot
2013-05-06 15:43:46 < mafios> it won't automount or work again
2013-05-06 15:43:51 < haylo> thats why i am testing the image, to make sure there is no bug or something
2013-05-06 15:44:03 < mafios> my old way was
2013-05-06 15:44:17 < mafios> creating an live-rw ext2 partition, and persistend boot option
2013-05-06 15:44:34 < mafios> and again it won't work
2013-05-06 15:44:41 < mafios> with 3 images I have tried
2013-05-06 15:45:08 < SynrG> unixabg: not *as* worried about which live-build is running vs. making sure live-build is configured to build stable images for wheezy.
2013-05-06 15:45:11 < haylo> the boot option changed as well, from "persistent" to "persistence" i think. that had me confused for a spell
2013-05-06 15:45:42 < mafios> yes 
2013-05-06 15:45:46 < mafios> SynrG told me it
2013-05-06 15:45:57 < mafios> this is what I am trying "persistence"
2013-05-06 15:46:01 < mafios> as a boot option
2013-05-06 15:46:23 < SynrG> the doc is correct and tested, right up to the end of the development cycle before the release, so i don't know what's wrong here. as i said, i *will* test later, when i have time.
2013-05-06 15:46:27 < SynrG> which i don't have right now
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2013-05-06 15:46:57 < mafios> SynrG: :)
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2013-05-06 15:55:06 < haylo> mafios: also sudo notepad , might not work to write to another partition. mount it at /somemount , take root priv, and then   echo "/ union" > /somemount/persistence.conf
2013-05-06 15:55:19 < mafios> what I did was
2013-05-06 15:55:23 < haylo> when i try to write to my freshly made settings with sudo it never takes
2013-05-06 15:55:23 < mafios> sudo leafpad
2013-05-06 15:55:32 < mafios> and it did worked becuase I opened it with thunar
2013-05-06 15:55:36 < mafios> and the file is there
2013-05-06 15:55:53 < mafios> on media/persistence
2013-05-06 15:56:16 < mafios> on media/persistence/persistence.conf
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2013-05-06 15:57:22 < mafios> user@debian:/media/persistence$ ls
2013-05-06 15:57:22 < mafios> lost+found  persistence.conf
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2013-05-06 15:57:45 < mafios> user@debian:/media/persistence$ cat persistence.conf 
2013-05-06 15:57:51 < unixabg> SynrG: I understand, current issue is that I have 216 builds pending :) And no spamming that i can see. But this many builds will 
2013-05-06 15:58:02 < unixabg> most likely hit the retention race condition.
2013-05-06 15:59:25 < unixabg> I have intention to modify the build model of l-b-cgi but currently work is consuming all my energies.
2013-05-06 16:00:22 < mafios> user@debian:/media/persistence$ cat persistence.conf 
2013-05-06 16:00:35 < mafios> = / unionuser@debian:/media/persistence$ 
2013-05-06 16:01:50 < haylo> without the = sign i hope
2013-05-06 16:01:55 < mafios> yes
2013-05-06 16:02:40 < SynrG> unixabg: the sudden increased demand is undoubtedly contributed to by the delay in availability of official build images. but probably also a lot of people now wanting custom images based on stable now that it has released.
2013-05-06 16:02:57 < SynrG> unixabg: my concern is simply to verify if it's actually building stable images ok.
2013-05-06 16:03:18 < SynrG> if the answer is yes, then i will not worry my head about it further :)
2013-05-06 16:03:37 < __hramrach> SynrG: the script is config/hooks/icewm.sh.chroot
2013-05-06 16:03:53 < __hramrach> and even if it was run in binary it's moot
2013-05-06 16:03:59 < SynrG> __hramrach: sounds right to me.
2013-05-06 16:04:04 < __hramrach> the file is already there from includes
2013-05-06 16:04:09 < SynrG> ah
2013-05-06 16:04:43 < SynrG> __hramrach: so you've solved it?
2013-05-06 16:04:45 < __hramrach> but it does not end up in filesystem.squashfs and is missing from chroot after build finishes
2013-05-06 16:04:49 < __hramrach> no
2013-05-06 16:05:17 < SynrG> i guess you need to modify the hook to test all assumptions then
2013-05-06 16:05:19 < __hramrach> there must be something that deletes the file bu I have no idewa what it is
2013-05-06 16:05:27 < SynrG> spit out ls, etc. of everything involved.
2013-05-06 16:05:50 < SynrG> otherwise i have no idea how this could be :/
2013-05-06 16:06:05 < __hramrach> it verifies the assumption - is sasys the files are the same which means the symling and the file was copied from includes all right
2013-05-06 16:06:07 < mafios> maybe I can specify the partition
2013-05-06 16:06:08 < mafios> on boot
2013-05-06 16:06:55 < __hramrach> I guess I can try to make the files immutabe :/
2013-05-06 16:13:38 < __hramrach> is there some auditing support for linux so I could find any program modyfiyng the file and kill it with fire?
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2013-05-06 16:24:54 < SynrG> there's some kernel interface to track filesystem ops, yeah
2013-05-06 16:24:58 < SynrG> i don't know how to use it
2013-05-06 16:25:15 < SynrG> and the name of it escapes my mind atm ...
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2013-05-06 16:28:12 < unixabg> SynrG: I have limited access to _good_ bandwidth to test, but I will select a random one that has been built to test.
2013-05-06 16:28:31 < SynrG> unixabg: great. thanks.
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2013-05-06 16:37:30 < haylo> mafios: maybe should just discuss it here instead of im pm , i am often wrong. i wrote this for you to clarify exactly how all of it might be done from cli  http://paste.debian.net/2474/
2013-05-06 16:37:52 < haylo> and will test that iso in about 30 mins here when it is finished
2013-05-06 16:38:41 < haylo> oops use this one http://paste.debian.net/2478/   200% is not going to work for parted  :)
2013-05-06 16:39:18 < SynrG> do we really need multiple people doing the same test? i'm taking lunch and have a gnome image prepared exactly as per doc
2013-05-06 16:39:43 < SynrG> i did say earlier i would test as soon as i had time :)
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2013-05-06 16:41:15 < SynrG> minutes until my test is done ...
2013-05-06 16:41:34 < __hramrach> hmm, there is auditd
2013-05-06 16:41:52 < SynrG> mount: mounting /dev/sda on /live/persistence/sda failed: No such device
2013-05-06 16:41:58 < __hramrach> not sure it's usable for this kind of stuff, though
2013-05-06 16:42:02 < SynrG> mount: mounting /dev/sda on /live/persistence/sdb failed: Device or resource is busy
2013-05-06 16:42:13 < SynrG> oops, second message typoed
2013-05-06 16:42:19 < SynrG> mount: mounting /dev/sdb on /live/persistence/sdb failed: Device or resource is busy
2013-05-06 16:42:26 < SynrG> i'll double-check that in the log
2013-05-06 16:42:30 < __hramrach> it does not seem to like auditing directory that does not exist to start with
2013-05-06 16:42:35 < SynrG> just typing what i saw on first boot
2013-05-06 16:43:14 < SynrG> seems spurious, however
2013-05-06 16:43:20 < SynrG> as /dev/sdb2 is mounted
2013-05-06 16:43:28 < haylo> it always says that crap for me, while searching for the media
2013-05-06 16:43:52 < SynrG> yup
2013-05-06 16:44:08 < SynrG> mkdir test && echo test > test/test.txt
2013-05-06 16:44:11 < SynrG> rebooting
2013-05-06 16:47:25 < SynrG> mafios: and as expected, both the test directory exists and test/test.txt containing "test" ...
2013-05-06 16:47:31 < SynrG> so i don't know what your problem is
2013-05-06 16:47:31 < __hramrach> apt preferences are no longer copied from config :s
2013-05-06 16:47:43 < SynrG> i did everything exactly as per doc with gnome amd64 image
2013-05-06 16:47:50 < __hramrach> I don't know how I built the last image
2013-05-06 16:48:34 < SynrG> __hramrach: the kernel has something called, uh ... inotify?
2013-05-06 16:49:49 < SynrG> maybe iwatch?
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2013-05-06 16:50:39 < caravel> hello o/
2013-05-06 16:50:47 < SynrG> greetings
2013-05-06 16:51:34 < caravel> I could import gpg key AD11CF6A from keys.gnupg.net but not from keyring.debian.org. Does it matter or not, who cares ? :)
2013-05-06 16:53:08 < mafios> SynrG
2013-05-06 16:53:14 < SynrG> honestly i don't know how the image signing works. that's between dba and Sledge 
2013-05-06 16:53:14 < mafios> my steps were:
2013-05-06 16:53:36 < mafios> what filesystem perrsistence partition
2013-05-06 16:53:37 < dba> caravel: it's known that some role keys are not on keyring.d.o (or not even in debian-keyring)
2013-05-06 16:53:38 < mafios> do you use?
2013-05-06 16:54:06 < caravel> dba: I'm just trying to provide feedback if it matters/helps
2013-05-06 16:54:12 < SynrG> mafios: i used gparted to make it, i put ext2 on it, i named it persistence
2013-05-06 16:54:23 < SynrG> i put persistence.conf on it with only "/ union" in it
2013-05-06 16:54:23 < caravel> I found it strange not to find it first on d.o
2013-05-06 16:54:32 < mafios> spo you didn't follow word to word the doc if you used gparted
2013-05-06 16:54:33 < dba> caravel: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609451
2013-05-06 16:54:49 < mafios> only that you changed from the steps of the doc?
2013-05-06 16:54:51 < __hramrach> SynrG: inotify is specifically not working for unlink
2013-05-06 16:55:00 < SynrG> i booted with "persistence" option appended. the persistence partition (/dev/sdb2) was mounted. i did my test file, i rebooted with "persistence" option appended, and it was there again.
2013-05-06 16:55:07 < SynrG> __hramrach: ugh :p
2013-05-06 16:55:10 < mafios> gosh 
2013-05-06 16:55:15 < dba> caravel: or in other words.. the cd key is not 'allowed' to be included, so i don't even bother to get the live one included.
2013-05-06 16:55:18 < mafios> my partition never was mounted here
2013-05-06 16:55:24 < caravel> dba: oh thanks. And I'm sorry, wasn't expecting a ticket hence did not even search
2013-05-06 16:55:29 < dba> caravel: np
2013-05-06 16:55:36 < dba> caravel: it's really not obvious
2013-05-06 16:55:43 < __hramrach> well, I guess I wait for live-build 4 to get current so I can debug my build failure
2013-05-06 16:55:51 < mafios> so you have a persistence called partition with a file on its root called persistence.conf 
2013-05-06 16:56:05 < mafios> which contains some lines? which ones?
2013-05-06 16:56:07 < mafios> I used:
2013-05-06 16:56:17 < __hramrach> and then I can try auditing image build when it is buildable again
2013-05-06 16:56:17 < mafios> this : / union
2013-05-06 16:56:18 < dba> caravel: also, since i've just rotated the key for 2013 today, i haven't yet put it up on live.d.n
2013-05-06 16:56:26 < SynrG> mafios: i deliberately did change tools to gparted because i know the doc works. i wanted to see if an easier-to-use (read, harder for user to screw up) tool would do the same. it does.
2013-05-06 16:56:45 < __hramrach> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10205111/monitoring-file-access-in-linux
2013-05-06 16:56:49 < mafios> maybe the words of my persistence.conf are wrong
2013-05-06 16:56:57 < SynrG> mafios: i have no reason to believe that gnome tool you used initially would be any worse than that, but as i said, i'm not familiar with that one.
2013-05-06 16:56:58 < mafios> I used : / union
2013-05-06 16:57:12 < SynrG> exactly as i did.
2013-05-06 16:57:15 < mafios> what words does your persistence.conf contains?
2013-05-06 16:57:24 < SynrG> 13:54 < SynrG> i put persistence.conf on it with only "/ union" in it
2013-05-06 16:57:27 < caravel> dba: ok - all the best then, Sir :)
2013-05-06 16:57:31 < mafios> that 
2013-05-06 16:57:33 < mafios> same as me
2013-05-06 16:57:47 < mafios> did you mount unmounted anything?
2013-05-06 16:57:54 < mafios> or mounted persistence somewhere?
2013-05-06 16:57:55 < dba> caravel: (jftr, the bug i quoted was the wrong one (as it's about another issue of a missing key), but issue persists)
2013-05-06 16:58:10 < mafios> or just mounted persistence to put persistence.conf in it?
2013-05-06 16:58:11 < SynrG> mafios: just booted with 'persistence' appended (after a blank, of course)
2013-05-06 16:58:16 < caravel> dba: yes, I've seen the key is distinct but I got it
2013-05-06 16:58:18 < mafios> blank?
2013-05-06 16:58:24 < mafios> reboot?
2013-05-06 16:58:29 < SynrG> mafios: press 'tab' at the boot prompt
2013-05-06 16:58:46 < SynrG> mafios: append ' persistence' to the kernel parameters
2013-05-06 16:58:55 < mafios> yeah
2013-05-06 16:58:58 < mafios> thats what I am doing
2013-05-06 16:59:02 < mafios> and it won't work
2013-05-06 16:59:04 < caravel> dba: (as long as you told me you're caring... :p)
2013-05-06 16:59:13 < SynrG> mafios: and it gave me those spurious messages. and then mounted /dev/sdb2
2013-05-06 16:59:25 < mafios> it never was mounted here 
2013-05-06 16:59:40 < mafios> using lxde 32bit though
2013-05-06 16:59:50 < mafios> I will try yours and see
2013-05-06 16:59:53 < mafios> gnome
2013-05-06 17:00:04 < SynrG> mafios: what is the output of:
2013-05-06 17:00:11 < SynrG> /sbin/e2label /dev/sdb2
2013-05-06 17:00:28 < SynrG> (assuming you have the live media plugged in and that's your persistence partition)
2013-05-06 17:01:13 < mafios> I will mount it 
2013-05-06 17:01:15 < mafios> and tell you
2013-05-06 17:01:17 < SynrG> no
2013-05-06 17:01:31 < SynrG> just insert the media. it doesn't need to be mounted, i don't think
2013-05-06 17:01:40 < mafios> the partition is on this usb stick
2013-05-06 17:01:46 < mafios> second partition
2013-05-06 17:01:52 < mafios> the first is the os
2013-05-06 17:01:59 < mafios> so? I mount it?
2013-05-06 17:02:07 < SynrG> just the output of the command, please. i don't care if it is mounted or not.
2013-05-06 17:02:20 < SynrG> it just needs to be physically inserted. that is all.
2013-05-06 17:02:41 < SynrG> (your system may automount it anyway, but that's besides the point :)
2013-05-06 17:03:20 < mafios> sbin/e2label: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sdb2
2013-05-06 17:03:20 < mafios> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
2013-05-06 17:03:33 < mafios> sda2 sghould be?
2013-05-06 17:03:45 < mafios> user@debian:~$ /sbin/e2label /dev/sda2
2013-05-06 17:03:45 < SynrG> i said "assuming that's your persistence partition"
2013-05-06 17:03:45 < mafios> persistence
2013-05-06 17:03:50 < mafios> yeah
2013-05-06 17:03:53 < mafios> pasted you
2013-05-06 17:04:11 < SynrG> and: /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sda (don't output to the channel; use paste.debian.net)
2013-05-06 17:04:54 < mafios> http://paste.debian.net/2482/
2013-05-06 17:05:20 < SynrG> Empty?
2013-05-06 17:05:25 < SynrG> this is not a good sign :)
2013-05-06 17:05:38 < mafios> when I created it with gnome-disk-utility it had a weird
2013-05-06 17:05:44 < mafios> commant to it , feature
2013-05-06 17:05:48 < mafios> but I didn't paid attension
2013-05-06 17:05:53 < mafios> I will do it with gparted now
2013-05-06 17:06:07 < mafios> and give you text of the same command
2013-05-06 17:06:11 < SynrG> yup. either gparted is known to work, or else the way in the manual.
2013-05-06 17:06:23 < SynrG> take your pick. gparted's gui is kinda nice
2013-05-06 17:06:34 < SynrG> pretty hard to screw it up with that.
2013-05-06 17:07:03 < SynrG> it should say "Linux"
2013-05-06 17:07:08 < SynrG> if you did ext2
2013-05-06 17:07:10 < mafios> I should format or something?
2013-05-06 17:07:14 < mafios> or just create the partition?
2013-05-06 17:07:24 < mafios> ok apply changes
2013-05-06 17:07:41 < SynrG> just delete/recreate the partition with gparted and select ext2 and label it "persistence" i guess.
2013-05-06 17:08:11 < SynrG> your fdisk output should be improved now (should say "Linux", not "Empty")
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2013-05-06 17:08:58 < mafios> it takeshttp://paste.debian.net/2483/
2013-05-06 17:09:31 < mafios> ok
2013-05-06 17:09:37 < mafios> creating persistence.conf now and rebooting
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2013-05-06 17:11:59 < SynrG> and i'm just mildly curious which version of gnome-disk-utility and what the steps are to screw it up, in case it's useful to help someone else (i.e. was it user error, just not knowing how to use the tool? or a bug?)
2013-05-06 17:12:10 < SynrG> ^^ for mafios if-and-when he returns
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2013-05-06 17:16:46 < mafios> it automounts now
2013-05-06 17:16:52 < mafios> but it doesn't saves my files
2013-05-06 17:17:56 < mafios> I will upload a paste
2013-05-06 17:18:25 < mafios> http://paste.debian.net/2488/
2013-05-06 17:18:36 < mafios> arent 2 tmpfs too many?
2013-05-06 17:19:49 < mafios> in persistance.conf I have : / union
2013-05-06 17:19:54 < mafios> with a space between / and union
2013-05-06 17:24:21 < mafios> user@debian:/media/persistence$ ls
2013-05-06 17:24:21 < mafios> lost+found  persistence.conf
2013-05-06 17:25:08 < mafios> reboot now maybe I didn't typed the word persistence proper at boot
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2013-05-06 17:30:50 < mafios> yes, it won't work
2013-05-06 17:30:57 < mafios> if any help please
2013-05-06 17:30:58 < mafios> :)
2013-05-06 17:33:55 < mafios> which version of gnome did you try SynrG?
2013-05-06 17:33:59 < mafios> 32 or 64 bit?
2013-05-06 17:34:17 < mafios> please
2013-05-06 17:35:52 < SynrG> amd64
2013-05-06 17:36:02 < SynrG> 14:19 < mafios> in persistance.conf I have : / union
2013-05-06 17:36:09 < SynrG> ^^ i hope that's a typo in channel only
2013-05-06 17:36:28 < SynrG> i mean, if you typoed it at boot time ...
2013-05-06 17:36:38 < SynrG> obviously that would affect the outcome :)
2013-05-06 17:37:04 < mafios> it won't work
2013-05-06 17:37:14 < mafios> I will try your gnome 64bit
2013-05-06 17:37:30 < SynrG> it's not going to make a difference, i'm sure
2013-05-06 17:37:30 < mafios> I type this at boot : 
2013-05-06 17:37:33 < mafios> persistence
2013-05-06 17:37:42 < mafios> does it need anything else?
2013-05-06 17:37:51 < mafios> except the 11 letters?
2013-05-06 17:38:00 < SynrG> specifically, you select the first entry in the boot menu
2013-05-06 17:38:05 < SynrG> you press the <tab> key
2013-05-06 17:38:13 < SynrG> it shows you the kernel command line with a lot of stuff in it
2013-05-06 17:38:16 < SynrG> you add a blank
2013-05-06 17:38:23 < SynrG> you add the word 'persistence' after that
2013-05-06 17:38:32 < mafios> yeah same as debian 6.x
2013-05-06 17:38:35 < mafios> with perisstent
2013-05-06 17:38:54 < mafios> maybe the posisision of the persistent work plays a role?
2013-05-06 17:39:01 < SynrG> and http://paste.debian.net/2488/ does show it is mounted.
2013-05-06 17:39:06 < SynrG> so what's the problem?
2013-05-06 17:39:08 < mafios> needs strictly to be after the kernel command?
2013-05-06 17:39:15 < mafios> and not after quiet?
2013-05-06 17:39:34 < SynrG> no. paste 2488 tells me it worked.
2013-05-06 17:39:36 < mafios> it won't work as a parsisten volume
2013-05-06 17:39:40 < mafios> it won't save my changes
2013-05-06 17:39:44 < mafios> tell you?
2013-05-06 17:39:46 < mafios> really?
2013-05-06 17:39:48 < SynrG> where are you making your changes?
2013-05-06 17:39:58 < mafios> desktop
2013-05-06 17:40:01 < mafios> I added a folder
2013-05-06 17:40:04 < mafios> and now it is missing
2013-05-06 17:40:10 < mafios> called "new"
2013-05-06 17:40:12 < SynrG> and put something *inside* the folder?
2013-05-06 17:40:17 < mafios> why for?
2013-05-06 17:40:26 < SynrG> because that matches my test?
2013-05-06 17:40:35 < mafios> well
2013-05-06 17:40:42 < mafios> if it did worked I should had xchat
2013-05-06 17:40:48 < mafios> saved on my os
2013-05-06 17:40:51 < mafios> but it didn't 
2013-05-06 17:40:57 < mafios> I had to reinstall it from 
2013-05-06 17:40:59 < mafios> I had to reinstall it 
2013-05-06 17:41:09 < SynrG> i did: mkdir test && echo test > test/test.txt
2013-05-06 17:41:15 < SynrG> this worked.
2013-05-06 17:41:27 < mafios> yeah but won't xchat should had been saved
2013-05-06 17:41:30 < SynrG> afterwards, i selected "Reboot"
2013-05-06 17:41:55 < mafios> ok I willl do this 
2013-05-06 17:42:13 < SynrG> just making sure we're testing the same things as all. i'm not arguing with your reasoning. :)
2013-05-06 17:42:21 < mafios> and the folder is now where?
2013-05-06 17:42:30 < SynrG> home directory
2013-05-06 17:42:30 < mafios> created
2013-05-06 17:42:32 < mafios> where?
2013-05-06 17:42:34 < mafios> ok let me see
2013-05-06 17:42:42 < mafios> yeah ok
2013-05-06 17:42:42 < SynrG> test with:
2013-05-06 17:42:44 < mafios> rebooting
2013-05-06 17:42:45 < SynrG> cat test/test.txt
2013-05-06 17:42:58 < mafios> user@debian:~$  cat test/test.txt
2013-05-06 17:42:58 < mafios> test
2013-05-06 17:43:02 < mafios> reboot now?
2013-05-06 17:43:08 < SynrG> one more thing to verify:
2013-05-06 17:43:11 < SynrG> cat /proc/cmdline
2013-05-06 17:43:28 < mafios> user@debian:~$ cat /proc/cmdline
2013-05-06 17:43:28 < mafios> boot=live persistence config quiet splash initrd=/live/initrd1.img BOOT_IMAGE=/live/vmlinuz1 
2013-05-06 17:43:41 < SynrG> looks ok to me.
2013-05-06 17:43:57 < mafios> reboot?
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2013-05-06 17:44:10 < SynrG> yes, and specify 'persistence' again, then redo those two tests.
2013-05-06 17:44:50 < mafios> ok be back
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2013-05-06 17:48:26 < user__> user@debian:~$ uptime
2013-05-06 17:48:26 < user__>  01:18:19 up 2 min, 8 users, load average: 0.64, 0.45, 0.18
2013-05-06 17:48:45 < user__> user@debian:~$ cat /proc/cmdline
2013-05-06 17:48:45 < user__> boot=live persistence config quiet splash initrd=/live/initrd1.img BOOT_IMAGE=/live/vmlinuz1 
2013-05-06 17:49:02 < user__> user@debian:~$ cat test/test.txt
2013-05-06 17:49:02 < user__> cat: test/test.txt: No such file or directory
2013-05-06 17:49:49 < SynrG> so, let's focus on the reboot. what are you doing to reboot it? selecting it from the menu?
2013-05-06 17:50:00 < user__> selecting from menu
2013-05-06 17:50:04 < SynrG> and paste again df -h, i guess
2013-05-06 17:50:19 < user__> debian paste
2013-05-06 17:50:19 < user__> wait
2013-05-06 17:50:52 < user__> http://paste.debian.net/2495/
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2013-05-06 17:52:15 < mafios> I will now upload my persistence.conf
2013-05-06 17:52:50 < mafios> http://www.sendspace.com/file/xz8pxy
2013-05-06 17:53:16 < mafios> this is located at root of persistence partition
2013-05-06 17:53:16 < SynrG> ugggh ... really?
2013-05-06 17:53:20 < mafios> what
2013-05-06 17:53:23 < SynrG> sendspace
2013-05-06 17:53:27 < mafios> why not
2013-05-06 17:53:33 < mafios> give me an alternative url
2013-05-06 17:54:13 < SynrG> paste.debian.net :)
2013-05-06 17:54:21 < mafios> paste , can I upload a file?
2013-05-06 17:54:34 < SynrG> but anyway ... i have clicked the BIG FAT button and it shows an ad, noticed that it is deliberately deceptive
2013-05-06 17:54:39 < SynrG> found the *small* text link 
2013-05-06 17:54:47 < SynrG> clicked on that. now it downloads. now i have to save it somewhere
2013-05-06 17:54:52 < SynrG> now i have to switch to a terminal ...
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2013-05-06 17:55:52 < SynrG> this is what i find the file literally contains:
2013-05-06 17:55:54 < SynrG> $ hexdump downloads/persistence.conf
2013-05-06 17:55:54 < SynrG> 0000000 202f 6e75 6f69 206e
2013-05-06 17:55:54 < SynrG> 0000008
2013-05-06 17:56:02 < mafios> !
2013-05-06 17:56:04 < SynrG> glad you sent it as a file because that's crap
2013-05-06 17:56:13 < SynrG> unless sendspace mangled it
2013-05-06 17:56:13 < mafios> ok so I need to echo it
2013-05-06 17:56:20 < mafios> tell me the echo command
2013-05-06 17:56:36 < SynrG> just a sec, let me give that in canonical form
2013-05-06 17:56:37 < mafios> please
2013-05-06 17:56:42 < SynrG> what is "crap" is the extra blank
2013-05-06 17:56:54 < mafios> sorry?
2013-05-06 17:56:56 < SynrG> $ hexdump -C downloads/persistence.conf 
2013-05-06 17:56:56 < SynrG> 00000000  2f 20 75 6e 69 6f 6e 20                           |/ union |
2013-05-06 17:56:56 < SynrG> 00000008
2013-05-06 17:57:07 < mafios> ok
2013-05-06 17:57:10 < SynrG> i am using hexdump to show what you can't see, the final blank, and the lack of newline
2013-05-06 17:57:11 < mafios> tell me the echo command
2013-05-06 17:57:13 < mafios> to make it from cmd
2013-05-06 17:57:18 < SynrG> it's in the doc, isn't it?
2013-05-06 17:57:43 < mafios> not sure let me see
2013-05-06 17:58:12 < SynrG> no, it's in the text in that paragraph, damn. no actual code example ... but later in the same section:
2013-05-06 17:58:15 < SynrG> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#548
2013-05-06 17:58:28 < SynrG> echo "/usr union" >> /mnt/persistence.conf
2013-05-06 17:59:01 < SynrG> see the difference here?
2013-05-06 17:59:02 < SynrG> $ hexdump -C persistence.conf 
2013-05-06 17:59:03 < SynrG> 00000000  2f 20 75 6e 69 6f 6e 0a                           |/ union.|
2013-05-06 17:59:03 < SynrG> 00000008
2013-05-06 17:59:16 < SynrG> that's from this command:
2013-05-06 17:59:26 < SynrG> $ echo "/ union" > persistence.conf
2013-05-06 17:59:39 < SynrG> how did you get the blank and no newline in there?
2013-05-06 17:59:43 < mafios> let me hexdump my file
2013-05-06 17:59:45 < mafios> see what happens
2013-05-06 17:59:59 < SynrG> yes, that will eliminate sendspace as the culprit at least :)
2013-05-06 18:00:43 < mafios> hmm 
2013-05-06 18:00:47 < mafios> mine showes an other
2013-05-06 18:00:54 < mafios> user@debian:/media/persistence$ hexdump -C persistence.conf 
2013-05-06 18:00:54 < mafios> 00000000  2f 20 75 6e 69 6f 6e 20                           |/ union |
2013-05-06 18:00:54 < mafios> 00000008
2013-05-06 18:01:07 < SynrG> same thing as i showed above
2013-05-06 18:01:17 < SynrG> i.e. ends with hex 20
2013-05-06 18:01:19 < SynrG> which is a blank
2013-05-06 18:01:22 < mafios> lol
2013-05-06 18:01:25 < SynrG> you want ends with 0a, i.e. a newline
2013-05-06 18:02:48 < mafios> sudo echp "/ union" >persistence.conf 
2013-05-06 18:02:48 < mafios> bash: persistence.conf: Permission denied
2013-05-06 18:02:55 < SynrG> no
2013-05-06 18:03:18 < SynrG> > doesn't work like that
2013-05-06 18:03:28 < SynrG> your unprivileged user shell executes that, not sudo
2013-05-06 18:03:42 < SynrG> sudo -i
2013-05-06 18:03:48 < SynrG> then you can:
2013-05-06 18:03:49 < mafios> user@debian:/media/persistence$ sudo echp "/ union" > persistence.conf 
2013-05-06 18:03:49 < mafios> bash: persistence.conf: Permission denied
2013-05-06 18:04:04 < SynrG> you typoed echo, by the way ...
2013-05-06 18:04:10 < SynrG> but as i said, sudo -i
2013-05-06 18:04:14 < SynrG> then:
2013-05-06 18:04:29 < SynrG> echo "/ union" > /media/persistence/persistence.conf
2013-05-06 18:04:57 < SynrG> or else do it as a shell command, e.g.
2013-05-06 18:05:29 < SynrG> sudo sh -c 'echo "/ union" > persistence.conf'
2013-05-06 18:05:37 < mafios> saved as persistence
2013-05-06 18:05:40 < mafios> not persistence.conf
2013-05-06 18:05:50 < SynrG> i have a moderate preference for the first way because i don't have to worry about quotes
2013-05-06 18:05:59 < mafios> root@debian:/media# echo "/ union" > /media/persistence/persistence.conf
2013-05-06 18:05:59 < mafios> root@debian:/media# ls
2013-05-06 18:05:59 < mafios> persistence
2013-05-06 18:06:13 < SynrG> no ...
2013-05-06 18:06:29 < SynrG> persistence is the directory under /media that is your mountpoint for the partition
2013-05-06 18:06:39 < SynrG> cat /media/persistence/persistence.conf
2013-05-06 18:06:39 < irker015> git: mail live-build:debian-next * 01e91f9 / functions/defaults.sh share/hooks/0200-remove-udev-persistent-cd-rules.chroot: Adding hook to disable 70-persistent-cd.rules udev rule to prevent udev remember the cd device name both the one of the build system and the one of the live system (Closes: #706926). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=01e91f9
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2013-05-06 18:06:40 < SynrG> it is fine
2013-05-06 18:06:45 < mafios> ok
2013-05-06 18:07:02 < mafios> root@debian:/media/persistence# hexdump -C persistence.conf
2013-05-06 18:07:02 < mafios> 00000000  2f 20 75 6e 69 6f 6e 0a                           |/ union.|
2013-05-06 18:07:02 < mafios> 00000008
2013-05-06 18:07:09 < mafios> correct now 0a new line?
2013-05-06 18:07:36 < SynrG> right. lesson learned: leafpad for conf files is the shits
2013-05-06 18:08:38 < irker015> git: mail live-build:debian-next * 1c5c144 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c5c144
2013-05-06 18:08:39 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a18-1 * HEAD / scripts/build/binary_manifest scripts/build/chroot scripts/build/clean: Adding ls -lR files as .files output. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
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2013-05-06 18:08:45 < irker015> git: mail live-build:debian * 01e91f9 / functions/defaults.sh share/hooks/0200-remove-udev-persistent-cd-rules.chroot: Adding hook to disable 70-persistent-cd.rules udev rule to prevent udev remember the cd device name both the one of the build system and the one of the live system (Closes: #706926). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=01e91f9
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2013-05-06 18:10:56 < SynrG> mafios: for future reference, for sending files up to paste.debian.net you can use nopaste or pastebinit (ask dpkg bot about either; i slightly prefer nopaste, myself)
2013-05-06 18:11:15 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * 2cb21f6 / live-build_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=2cb21f6
2013-05-06 18:11:15 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * 3959240 / live-build_4.0~a2.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a2.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a2. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=3959240
2013-05-06 18:11:16 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * e97b3ab / live-build_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a3. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=e97b3ab
2013-05-06 18:11:16 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * a254a22 / live-build_4.0~a4.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a4.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=a254a22
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2013-05-06 18:11:17 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * ccd7421 / live-build_4.0~a6.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a6.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a6. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccd7421
2013-05-06 18:11:18 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * ea993ad / live-build_4.0~a7.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a7.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a7. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea993ad
2013-05-06 18:11:18 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * 65f6ae5 / live-build_4.0~a8.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a8.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a8. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=65f6ae5
2013-05-06 18:11:19 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * 74129e2 / live-build_4.0~a9.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a9.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a9. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=74129e2
2013-05-06 18:11:19 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * c2cff9e / live-build_4.0~a10.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a10.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a10. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2cff9e
2013-05-06 18:11:21 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * ac3afdb / live-build_4.0~a11.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a11.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a11. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac3afdb
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2013-05-06 18:11:23 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * 102677f / live-build_4.0~a13.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a13.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a13. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=102677f
2013-05-06 18:11:23 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * 271bed1 / live-build_4.0~a14.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a14.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a14. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=271bed1
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2013-05-06 18:11:27 < irker015> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * df36b1d / live-build_4.0~a17.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a17.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a17. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=df36b1d
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2013-05-06 18:11:51 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a13 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:11:51 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a14 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:11:53 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a15 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:11:53 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a16 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:11:55 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a17 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:11:55 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a18 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:11:57 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a2 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
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2013-05-06 18:12:01 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a6 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:12:01 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a7 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:12:03 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a8 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:12:03 < irker015> git: mail live-build:4.0_a9 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a18-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:12:09 < SynrG> mafios: also, paste.debian.net allows download of the raw file. so that would've been better
2013-05-06 18:12:22 < SynrG> mafios: in case you missed the previous statement in the flood:
2013-05-06 18:12:25 < SynrG> mafios: for future reference, for sending files up to paste.debian.net you can use nopaste or pastebinit (ask dpkg bot about either; i slightly prefer nopaste, myself)
2013-05-06 18:12:40 < mafios> I seen everything
2013-05-06 18:12:44 < mafios> reboot in 2 mins
2013-05-06 18:12:50 < mafios> see what happens
2013-05-06 18:13:00 < mafios> to see
2013-05-06 18:13:06 < SynrG> note the download link
2013-05-06 18:13:12 < SynrG> also note the Browse... Send buttons
2013-05-06 18:13:21 < SynrG> so you can use that to send a file via your browser
2013-05-06 18:13:27 < mafios> nopaste
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2013-05-06 18:13:31 < SynrG> (at live.debian.net i mean)
2013-05-06 18:13:31 < mafios> or pastebinit
2013-05-06 18:14:08 < SynrG> yes. or use the web interface at paste.debian.net to Browse... / Send
2013-05-06 18:14:22 < SynrG> this is fine for sharing text files.
2013-05-06 18:14:22 < mafios> yes
2013-05-06 18:14:26 < mafios> I understood it
2013-05-06 18:14:32 < SynrG> good :)
2013-05-06 18:14:33 < mafios> ok
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2013-05-06 18:16:59 < mafios> rebooting
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2013-05-06 18:18:06 < BTS> live-build 4.0~a18-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> (Closes: #706926) https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-build
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2013-05-06 18:34:56 < mafios> SynrG: it boots into a black screen
2013-05-06 18:35:08 < mafios> to
2013-05-06 18:35:14 < mafios> SynrG: it boots to a black screen
2013-05-06 18:35:17 < unixabg> SynrG: I just completed download of a random image that was in the build area and it booted to gnome desktop fine.
2013-05-06 18:35:29 < unixabg> I did not test installer or other things only that it booted.
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2013-05-06 18:35:48 < mafios> anything else to try other than "/ union" ?
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2013-05-06 18:41:17 < irker015> git: mail live-config:debian-next * c0d76b5 / bin/boot-init.sh: Replacing expr usage with something less error prone. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0d76b5
2013-05-06 18:41:33 < irker015> git: mail live-config:debian-next * 3ce6f9e / bin/boot-init.sh: Replacing expr usage in initscript for eject boot media with something less error prone. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ce6f9e
2013-05-06 18:46:52 < haylo> mafios: install kvm to test this stuff, restarting all the time is crazy    kvm debian.iso -hdd your_persistence_partition
2013-05-06 18:46:57 < __hramrach> I had issues with images not always booting into graphics
2013-05-06 18:47:39 < __hramrach> it was caused by not using the kvm acceleration
2013-05-06 18:48:02 < mafios> it won't even work the persistent haylo 
2013-05-06 18:48:08 < mafios> boots to a black screen
2013-05-06 18:48:12 < mafios> with / union
2013-05-06 18:48:13 < __hramrach> possibly the parallel init does not cope well with very slow machines and fails to start some services
2013-05-06 18:48:18 < mafios> maybe I can try /var as you said?
2013-05-06 18:48:24 < haylo> use a virtual machine. do you understand ?
2013-05-06 18:48:36 < haylo> that way you dont take 1 hour for every time you test it
2013-05-06 18:48:37 < mafios> its not very slow my pc
2013-05-06 18:48:47 < mafios> haylo, ?
2013-05-06 18:48:51 < haylo> do it anyway. you only need to open it for a minute to test it
2013-05-06 18:49:06 < mafios> the /var instead of /. union?
2013-05-06 18:49:08 < haylo> kvm is a virtual machine . use that 
2013-05-06 18:49:09 < mafios> I should try it?
2013-05-06 18:49:22 < irker015> git: mail live-boot:debian-next * 5fdb3a6 / manpages/de/live-boot.de.7 manpages/en/live-boot.7 manpages/es/live-boot.es.7 manpages/po/de/live-boot.7.po manpages/po/es/live-boot.7.po manpages/pot/live-boot.7.pot: Updating manpage wrt/ quickreboot (Closes: #706686). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fdb3a6
2013-05-06 18:49:22 < mafios> virtual machine ?
2013-05-06 18:49:27 < haylo> no , use a virtual machine. your tests are taking to long
2013-05-06 18:49:29 < irker015> git: mail live-config:debian-next * ac28239 / bin/boot-init.sh: Don't error out if file is not installed in initscript for eject boot media (Closes: #706679). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac28239
2013-05-06 18:49:41 < mafios> it should worked 
2013-05-06 18:49:43 < __hramrach> the virtual machines have much simpler bios = faster boot
2013-05-06 18:49:51 < mafios> yeah but
2013-05-06 18:49:54 < mafios> when I learn to do it
2013-05-06 18:49:57 < __hramrach> plus no need to burn media if testing iso/usb
2013-05-06 18:49:59 < haylo> just do it, you will be happier
2013-05-06 18:50:02 < mafios> I won't be testing afterwards
2013-05-06 18:50:27 < mafios> the /var instead of / union
2013-05-06 18:50:30 < mafios> should I try it
2013-05-06 18:50:31 < mafios> ?
2013-05-06 18:50:32 < __hramrach> no need to power on another machine to test, too
2013-05-06 18:50:55 < mafios> __hramrach, : I am having probs with / union and parsistence
2013-05-06 18:51:12 < mafios> boots me to a black screen .I have dualcore at 2.4ghz
2013-05-06 18:51:19 < __hramrach> whatever you are testing a VM will likely make it faster
2013-05-06 18:51:19 < mafios> or 2.2ghz
2013-05-06 18:51:28 < mafios> yeah but what to do now?
2013-05-06 18:51:35 < irker015> git: mail live-config:debian * 3d79b22 / debian/changelog: Adding 3.0.22-1 and 3.0.23-1 changelog entries. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d79b22
2013-05-06 18:51:35 < irker015> git: mail live-config:debian * 3ce6f9e / bin/boot-init.sh: Replacing expr usage in initscript for eject boot media with something less error prone. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ce6f9e
2013-05-06 18:51:36 < irker015> git: mail live-config:debian * ac28239 / bin/boot-init.sh: Don't error out if file is not installed in initscript for eject boot media (Closes: #706679). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac28239
2013-05-06 18:51:36 < irker015> git: mail live-config:debian * e873432 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a20-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e873432
2013-05-06 18:51:37 < irker015> git: mail live-config:debian-next * e873432 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a20-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e873432
2013-05-06 18:51:37 < irker015> git: mail live-config:4.0_a20-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a20-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 18:52:12 < __hramrach> mafios: apt-get install kvm ; kvm -m 512 -cdrom your-image-here.iso -boot d
2013-05-06 18:52:34 < mafios> I can't understand why I need it
2013-05-06 18:52:46 < mafios> apt-get won't even save now
2013-05-06 18:52:53 < __hramrach> you don't exacty need it
2013-05-06 18:52:55 < mafios> it will be lost after thew reboot
2013-05-06 18:53:02 < mafios> as persistance doesn't works
2013-05-06 18:53:11 < __hramrach> not in the live system, in th host
2013-05-06 18:53:21 < mafios> yeah but any other word except / union?
2013-05-06 18:53:23 < __hramrach> so that you can lod the test system quickly
2013-05-06 18:53:27 < mafios> for persistance to work?
2013-05-06 18:53:32 < __hramrach> no
2013-05-06 18:53:36 < mafios> ah 1 pc tested up here
2013-05-06 18:53:39 < mafios> not a second yet
2013-05-06 18:53:42 < mafios> only 1
2013-05-06 18:53:44 < __hramrach> for testing different persistence options faster
2013-05-06 18:53:49 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 5a438fe / live-config_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a438fe
2013-05-06 18:53:49 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 72ad281 / live-config_4.0~a2.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a2.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a2. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=72ad281
2013-05-06 18:53:50 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 38da536 / live-config_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a3. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=38da536
2013-05-06 18:53:50 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 28f93c9 / live-config_4.0~a4.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a4.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=28f93c9
2013-05-06 18:53:51 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * b5d27ab / live-config_4.0~a5.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a5.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a5. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5d27ab
2013-05-06 18:53:51 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 495c0ce / live-config_4.0~a6.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a6.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a6. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=495c0ce
2013-05-06 18:53:52 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 9f760b2 / live-config_4.0~a7.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a7.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a7. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f760b2
2013-05-06 18:53:52 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 93c5e76 / live-config_4.0~a8.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a8.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a8. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=93c5e76
2013-05-06 18:53:53 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 89ea132 / live-config_4.0~a9.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a9.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a9. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=89ea132
2013-05-06 18:53:53 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * c614339 / live-config_4.0~a10.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a10.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a10. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=c614339
2013-05-06 18:53:55 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 4221048 / live-config_4.0~a11.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a11.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a11. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=4221048
2013-05-06 18:53:55 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 5b202bc / live-config_4.0~a12.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a12.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a12. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b202bc
2013-05-06 18:53:57 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 030d174 / live-config_4.0~a13.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a13.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a13. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=030d174
2013-05-06 18:53:57 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * bbf5afc / live-config_4.0~a14.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a14.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a14. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=bbf5afc
2013-05-06 18:53:58 < mafios> I know no other persistent options
2013-05-06 18:53:59 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * ed7f636 / live-config_4.0~a15.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a15.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a15. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed7f636
2013-05-06 18:53:59 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * f0fb7d3 / live-config_4.0~a16.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a16.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a16. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0fb7d3
2013-05-06 18:54:01 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 858a2d7 / live-config_4.0~a17.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a17.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a17. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=858a2d7
2013-05-06 18:54:01 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * b638d44 / live-config_4.0~a18.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a18.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a18. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=b638d44
2013-05-06 18:54:03 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * bba047f / live-config_4.0~a19.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a19.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a19. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=bba047f
2013-05-06 18:54:03 < irker015> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * d2241b8 / live-config_4.0~a20.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a20.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a20. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2241b8
2013-05-06 18:54:03 < mafios> ah ok
2013-05-06 18:54:05 < irker015> git: mail live-config:upstream * 971b506 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=971b506
2013-05-06 18:54:05 < irker015> git: mail live-config:upstream * 07f0a6e / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a2. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=07f0a6e
2013-05-06 18:54:06 < mafios> you ment images
2013-05-06 18:54:07 < irker015> git: mail live-config:upstream * 6869cbd / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a3. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=6869cbd
2013-05-06 18:54:07 < irker015> git: mail live-config:upstream * 1b4f3fb / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b4f3fb
2013-05-06 18:54:09 < irker015> git: mail live-config:upstream * 646835f / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a5. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=646835f
2013-05-06 18:54:09 < irker015> git: mail live-config:upstream * eb38957 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a6. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb38957
2013-05-06 18:54:11 < irker015> git: mail live-config:upstream * e45fc53 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a7. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e45fc53
2013-05-06 18:54:11 < irker015> git: mail live-config:upstream * 1bb4f49 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a8. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1bb4f49
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2013-05-06 18:54:15 < irker015> git: mail live-config:upstream * 35a74a4 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a11. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=35a74a4
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2013-05-06 18:54:27 < irker015> git: mail live-config:4.0_a11 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a20-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
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2013-05-06 18:54:58 < mafios> thanks to everyone
2013-05-06 18:55:05 < mafios> going to try gnome 64bit as SynrG 
2013-05-06 18:55:50 < mafios> or lxde 64bit
2013-05-06 18:55:52 < mafios> bye 
2013-05-06 18:55:58 < mafios> SynrG: thanks
2013-05-06 18:56:52 < mafios> and to all others
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2013-05-06 19:01:39 < irker015> git: mail live-images:pristine-tar * 4fe5948 / live-images_4.0~a16.orig.tar.xz.delta live-images_4.0~a16.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a16. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fe5948
2013-05-06 19:01:39 < irker015> git: mail live-images:upstream * 5f22add / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a16. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f22add
2013-05-06 19:01:40 < irker015> git: mail live-images:4.0_a16 * HEAD / VERSION debian/changelog manpages/de/live-images.de.7 manpages/en/live-images.7 manpages/po/de/live-images.7.po manpages/pot/live-images.7.pot: Releasing debian version 4.0~a16-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:02:55 < BTS> live-config 4.0~a20-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> (Closes: #706679, #706933) https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-config
2013-05-06 19:09:27 < dba> chals: heads-up: note that live-manuals debian-next branch is now rebased on the 'updated' debian branch (updated as in 'has now 4.x added on top')
2013-05-06 19:12:08 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:debian * 58987a7 / debian/changelog: Adding 3.0.2-1 changelog entries. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=58987a7
2013-05-06 19:12:09 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:debian * 91907c0 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a5-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=91907c0
2013-05-06 19:12:09 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:debian-next * 58987a7 / debian/changelog: Adding 3.0.2-1 changelog entries. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=58987a7
2013-05-06 19:12:10 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:debian-next * 91907c0 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a5-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=91907c0
2013-05-06 19:12:10 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a5-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a5-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:13:49 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:pristine-tar * 1cc623d / live-manual_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.delta live-manual_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cc623d
2013-05-06 19:13:50 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:pristine-tar * b2368d9 / live-manual_4.0~a2.orig.tar.xz.delta live-manual_4.0~a2.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a2. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2368d9
2013-05-06 19:13:50 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:pristine-tar * 4311494 / live-manual_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.delta live-manual_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a3. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=4311494
2013-05-06 19:13:51 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:pristine-tar * 9fea04e / live-manual_4.0~a5.orig.tar.xz.delta live-manual_4.0~a5.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a5. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fea04e
2013-05-06 19:13:51 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:upstream * f7969f1 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7969f1
2013-05-06 19:13:52 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:upstream * abea2f5 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a2. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=abea2f5
2013-05-06 19:13:52 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:upstream * e03797a / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a3. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=e03797a
2013-05-06 19:13:53 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:upstream * 5e8ae5a / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a5. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e8ae5a
2013-05-06 19:13:53 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a5-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:13:55 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a2 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a5-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:13:55 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a3 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a5-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:13:57 < irker015> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a5 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a5-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
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2013-05-06 19:18:19 < chals> dba: ack, thanks for the heads-up :)
2013-05-06 19:18:54 < BTS> live-images 4.0~a16-1 uploaded by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-images
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2013-05-06 19:20:08 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a10-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:20:08 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a10-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:20:09 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a10-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:20:09 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a10-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:20:10 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a10-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:20:10 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a10-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:20:11 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a10-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:20:11 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a10-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:20:12 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a10-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:20:13 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a11-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:20:13 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a11-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:20:15 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a11-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:20:15 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a11-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:20:17 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a11-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:20:17 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a11-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:20:19 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a11-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:20:19 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a11-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:20:21 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a11-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:20:21 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a12-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:20:23 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a12-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:20:23 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a12-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:20:25 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a12-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:20:25 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a12-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:20:27 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a12-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:20:27 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a12-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:20:29 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a12-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:20:29 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a12-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:20:31 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a13-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:20:31 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a13-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:20:33 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a13-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:20:33 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a13-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:20:35 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a13-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:20:35 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a13-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:20:37 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a13-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:20:37 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a13-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:20:39 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a13-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:20:39 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a14-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:20:41 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a14-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:20:41 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a14-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:20:43 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a14-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:20:43 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a14-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:20:45 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a14-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:20:45 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a14-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:20:47 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a14-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:20:47 < irker015> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a14-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
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2013-05-06 19:20:52 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a19-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:20:53 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a19-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:20:53 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a19-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:20:54 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a19-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:20:54 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a19-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:20:55 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a19-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:20:56 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a19-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:20:56 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a2-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:20:58 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a2-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:20:58 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a2-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:21:00 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a2-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:21:00 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a2-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:21:02 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a2-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:21:02 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a2-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:21:04 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a2-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:21:04 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a2-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:21:06 < irker931> git: mail live-config:4.0_a20-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a20-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:21:06 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a3-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:21:08 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a3-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:21:08 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a3-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:21:10 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a3-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:21:10 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a3-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:21:12 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a3-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:21:12 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a3-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:21:14 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a3-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:21:14 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a3-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:21:16 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a4-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:21:16 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a4-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:21:18 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a4-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:21:18 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a4-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:21:20 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a4-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:21:20 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a4-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:21:22 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a4-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:21:22 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a4-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:21:24 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a4-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:21:24 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a5-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:21:26 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a5-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:21:26 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a5-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:21:28 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a5-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:21:28 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a5-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:21:30 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a5-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:21:30 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a5-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:21:32 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a5-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:21:32 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a5-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:21:34 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a6-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:21:34 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a6-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:21:36 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a6-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:21:36 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a6-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:21:38 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a6-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:21:38 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a6-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:21:40 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a6-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:21:40 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a6-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:21:42 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a6-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:21:42 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a7-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:21:44 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a7-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:21:44 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a7-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:21:46 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a7-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:21:46 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a7-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:21:48 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a7-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:21:48 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a7-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:21:50 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a7-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:21:50 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a7-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:21:52 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a8-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:21:52 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a8-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:21:54 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a8-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:21:54 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a8-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:21:56 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a8-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:21:56 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a8-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:21:58 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a8-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
2013-05-06 19:21:58 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a8-1 * e0b2eee / debian/control: Updating package descriptions. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0b2eee
2013-05-06 19:22:00 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a8-1 * 47fd6b4 / bin/live-config-update: Shortening default user fullname on progress. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=47fd6b4
2013-05-06 19:22:00 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a9-1 * 41c9cc8 / : Moving remaining stuff from /live to /lib/live to avoid further namespace pollution. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=41c9cc8
2013-05-06 19:22:02 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a9-1 * d2bbcd7 / : Moving hooks and preseed inclusion to their final place within the filesystems. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2bbcd7
2013-05-06 19:22:02 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a9-1 * 3d717d8 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.7-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d717d8
2013-05-06 19:22:04 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a9-1 * ce038a6 / debian/control: Updating to standards version 3.9.4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce038a6
2013-05-06 19:22:04 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a9-1 * df1c183 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.8-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=df1c183
2013-05-06 19:22:06 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a9-1 * 733f23f / : Updating file paths for /lib/live/mount. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=733f23f
2013-05-06 19:22:06 < irker931> git: daniel live-config:4.0_a9-1 * 1f1b7c4 / : Renaming /lib/live/mount/image to /lib/live/mount/medium. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f1b7c4
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2013-05-06 19:22:11 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 8acaaf7 / manual/en/user_customization-runtime.ssi: Fixing grammar mistake in user_customization-runtime.ssi. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=8acaaf7
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2013-05-06 19:22:12 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * cea56af / manual/en/user_customization-runtime.ssi: Fixing punctuation in one string in user_customization-runtime.ssi. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=cea56af
2013-05-06 19:22:12 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * fa27f65 / manual/ca/live-manual.ssm manual/en/live-manual.ssm manual/es/live-manual.ssm manual/fr/live-manual.ssm manual/it/live-manual.ssm manual/po/ca/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/es/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/fr/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/it/live-manual.ssm.po manual/pot/live-manual.ssm.pot: Updating dates in live-manual files. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa
2013-05-06 19:22:13 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 1590ffd / : Updating translation files from the original English ones. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=1590ffd
2013-05-06 19:22:13 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 445846b / manual/ca/live-manual.ssm manual/ca/user_customization-runtime.ssi manual/po/ca/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/ca/user_customization-runtime.ssi.po: Updating Catalan translation. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=445846b
2013-05-06 19:22:14 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 7a68c20 / manual/es/live-manual.ssm manual/es/user_customization-runtime.ssi manual/po/es/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/es/user_customization-runtime.ssi.po: Updating Spanish translation. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a68c20
2013-05-06 19:22:14 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 539df1c / manual/fr/live-manual.ssm manual/fr/user_customization-runtime.ssi manual/po/fr/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/fr/user_customization-runtime.ssi.po: Updating French translation. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=539df1c
2013-05-06 19:22:15 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 3cd548f / manual/it/user_customization-runtime.ssi manual/po/it/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/it/user_customization-runtime.ssi.po: Updating Italian translation, thanks to skizzhg <skizzhg@gmx.com>. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cd548f
2013-05-06 19:22:15 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * fdcfabf / : Releasing debian version 3.0.2-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=fdcfabf
2013-05-06 19:22:17 < irker519> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * f826704 / : Adding debian version 4.0~a1-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=f826704
2013-05-06 19:22:17 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 579a95c / : Using ~/.ssh/keys rather than ~/.ssh/identity.d in ssh examples to not imply that the used subdirectory is an automatically used conf.d directory by ssh. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=579a95c
2013-05-06 19:22:19 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 2d85189 / debian/control debian/live-manual-all.bug-presubj debian/live-manual.bug-presubj: Renaming live-manual-all metapackage to live-manual for proper squeeze-to-wheezy upgrade. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d85189
2013-05-06 19:22:19 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 6f922b6 / debian/control: Making depends of live-manual versioned. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f922b6
2013-05-06 19:22:21 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 27a2e65 / debian/changelog: Adding 3.0.0-1 changelog entries. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=27a2e65
2013-05-06 19:22:21 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * a8288f6 / debian/changelog: Adding 3.0.1-1 changelog entries. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8288f6
2013-05-06 19:22:23 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 9eabfea / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a2-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=9eabfea
2013-05-06 19:22:23 < irker519> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 84c2f5c / : Removing all references to my old email address. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=84c2f5c
2013-05-06 19:22:25 < irker519> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a3-1 * 1d01b38 / VERSION debian/changelog: Releasing debian version 4.0~a3-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d01b38
2013-05-06 19:22:25 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * b112d2a / : Removing incomplete German, Brazilian Portuguese, and Romanian translations for release. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=b112d2a
2013-05-06 19:22:27 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * a74dd22 / : Releasing debian version 3.0.0-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=a74dd22
2013-05-06 19:22:27 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 4d709ff / : Using ~/.ssh/keys rather than ~/.ssh/identity.d in ssh examples to not imply that the used subdirectory is an automatically used conf.d directory by ssh. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d709ff
2013-05-06 19:22:29 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 36bc9f7 / debian/control debian/live-manual-all.bug-presubj debian/live-manual.bug-presubj: Renaming live-manual-all metapackage to live-manual for proper squeeze-to-wheezy upgrade. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=36bc9f7
2013-05-06 19:22:29 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * e28d72c / debian/control: Making depends of live-manual versioned. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=e28d72c
2013-05-06 19:22:31 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * fc3ac5c / : Releasing debian version 3.0.1-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc3ac5c
2013-05-06 19:22:31 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * c0f92b7 / manual/en/user_customization-runtime.ssi: Adding more information about how to use several persistence volumes for different use cases. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0f92b7
2013-05-06 19:22:33 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 8acaaf7 / manual/en/user_customization-runtime.ssi: Fixing grammar mistake in user_customization-runtime.ssi. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=8acaaf7
2013-05-06 19:22:33 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * cea56af / manual/en/user_customization-runtime.ssi: Fixing punctuation in one string in user_customization-runtime.ssi. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=cea56af
2013-05-06 19:22:35 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * fa27f65 / manual/ca/live-manual.ssm manual/en/live-manual.ssm manual/es/live-manual.ssm manual/fr/live-manual.ssm manual/it/live-manual.ssm manual/po/ca/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/es/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/fr/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/it/live-manual.ssm.po manual/pot/live-manual.ssm.pot: Updating dates in live-manual files. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa
2013-05-06 19:22:35 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 1590ffd / : Updating translation files from the original English ones. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=1590ffd
2013-05-06 19:22:37 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 445846b / manual/ca/live-manual.ssm manual/ca/user_customization-runtime.ssi manual/po/ca/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/ca/user_customization-runtime.ssi.po: Updating Catalan translation. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=445846b
2013-05-06 19:22:37 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 7a68c20 / manual/es/live-manual.ssm manual/es/user_customization-runtime.ssi manual/po/es/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/es/user_customization-runtime.ssi.po: Updating Spanish translation. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a68c20
2013-05-06 19:22:39 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 539df1c / manual/fr/live-manual.ssm manual/fr/user_customization-runtime.ssi manual/po/fr/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/fr/user_customization-runtime.ssi.po: Updating French translation. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=539df1c
2013-05-06 19:22:39 < irker519> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 3cd548f / manual/it/user_customization-runtime.ssi manual/po/it/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/it/user_customization-runtime.ssi.po: Updating Italian translation, thanks to skizzhg <skizzhg@gmx.com>. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cd548f
2013-05-06 19:22:41 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * fdcfabf / : Releasing debian version 3.0.2-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=fdcfabf
2013-05-06 19:22:41 < irker519> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * f826704 / : Adding debian version 4.0~a1-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=f826704
2013-05-06 19:22:43 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 579a95c / : Using ~/.ssh/keys rather than ~/.ssh/identity.d in ssh examples to not imply that the used subdirectory is an automatically used conf.d directory by ssh. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=579a95c
2013-05-06 19:22:43 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 2d85189 / debian/control debian/live-manual-all.bug-presubj debian/live-manual.bug-presubj: Renaming live-manual-all metapackage to live-manual for proper squeeze-to-wheezy upgrade. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d85189
2013-05-06 19:22:45 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 6f922b6 / debian/control: Making depends of live-manual versioned. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f922b6
2013-05-06 19:22:45 < irker519> git: daniel live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 27a2e65 / debian/changelog: Adding 3.0.0-1 changelog entries. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=27a2e65
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2013-05-06 19:22:48 < irker570> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 6d61fcf / manual/en/user_basics.ssi: Fixing typo 'a/an' in user_basics.ssi. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d61fcf
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2013-05-06 19:22:49 < irker570> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * b767fb5 / manual/en/user_customization-binary.ssi: Simplifying the 'Bootloader' section. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=b767fb5
2013-05-06 19:22:49 < irker570> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * e54d212 / manual/en/user_customization-binary.ssi: Renaming the 'Bootloader' title to the plural form. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=e54d212
2013-05-06 19:22:50 < irker570> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 06ba53a / : Updating translations from the English files. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=06ba53a
2013-05-06 19:22:50 < irker570> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 5ed61d5 / manual/ca/appendix_style-guide.ssi manual/ca/live-manual.ssm manual/ca/user_basics.ssi manual/ca/user_customization-binary.ssi manual/po/ca/appendix_style-guide.ssi.po manual/po/ca/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/ca/user_basics.ssi.po manual/po/ca/user_customization-binary.ssi.po: Updating Catalan translation of several files. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ed
2013-05-06 19:22:51 < irker570> git: chals live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 062c7ac / manual/es/appendix_style-guide.ssi manual/es/live-manual.ssm manual/es/user_basics.ssi manual/es/user_customization-binary.ssi manual/po/es/appendix_style-guide.ssi.po manual/po/es/live-manual.ssm.po manual/po/es/user_basics.ssi.po manual/po/es/user_customization-binary.ssi.po: Updating the Spanish translation of several files. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h
2013-05-06 19:22:51 < irker570> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a4-1 * 7e102a2 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a4-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e102a2
2013-05-06 19:22:52 < irker570> git: mail live-manual:4.0_a5-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a5-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-manual.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:23:27 < __hramrach> dba: if you are hacking 4.x maybe you want to look at this: http://repo.or.cz/w/debian-live-build/hramrach.git/shortlog
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2013-05-06 19:24:22 < dba> __hramrach: i'm just doing spring cleaning right now (so that we're all set for jessie);
2013-05-06 19:24:32 < dba> i'll be doing real stuff next or upper next week.
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2013-05-06 19:25:15 < __hramrach> it's the multiple kernel patches
2013-05-06 19:27:01 < __hramrach> I kind of re-apply theme every time I am trying to build a CD image
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2013-05-06 19:30:42 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:debian-next * 5a95354 / debian/changelog: Adding 3.0.20-1 changelog entries. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a95354
2013-05-06 19:32:52 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:debian * 5a95354 / debian/changelog: Adding 3.0.20-1 changelog entries. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a95354
2013-05-06 19:32:53 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:debian * 235d2d4 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=235d2d4
2013-05-06 19:32:53 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:debian-next * 235d2d4 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=235d2d4
2013-05-06 19:32:54 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a13-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:18 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * a72927f / live-tools_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a1.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=a72927f
2013-05-06 19:34:19 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * 001b748 / live-tools_4.0~a2.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a2.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a2. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=001b748
2013-05-06 19:34:19 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * ef7ab22 / live-tools_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a3.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a3. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef7ab22
2013-05-06 19:34:20 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * e09e14c / live-tools_4.0~a4.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a4.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=e09e14c
2013-05-06 19:34:20 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * d8681e1 / live-tools_4.0~a5.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a5.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a5. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8681e1
2013-05-06 19:34:21 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * e675171 / live-tools_4.0~a6.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a6.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a6. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=e675171
2013-05-06 19:34:21 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * 45d77b5 / live-tools_4.0~a7.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a7.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a7. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=45d77b5
2013-05-06 19:34:22 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * 32d55a4 / live-tools_4.0~a8.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a8.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a8. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=32d55a4
2013-05-06 19:34:22 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * acc20e2 / live-tools_4.0~a9.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a9.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a9. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=acc20e2
2013-05-06 19:34:24 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * 764e751 / live-tools_4.0~a10.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a10.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a10. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=764e751
2013-05-06 19:34:24 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * 38466f7 / live-tools_4.0~a11.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a11.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a11. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=38466f7
2013-05-06 19:34:26 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * 085ad3e / live-tools_4.0~a12.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a12.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a12. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=085ad3e
2013-05-06 19:34:26 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:pristine-tar * 79e11c8 / live-tools_4.0~a13.orig.tar.xz.delta live-tools_4.0~a13.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a13. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=79e11c8
2013-05-06 19:34:28 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * df35266 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=df35266
2013-05-06 19:34:28 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * 4796531 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a2. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=4796531
2013-05-06 19:34:30 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * b7bc8a1 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a3. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7bc8a1
2013-05-06 19:34:30 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * 7ea92dd / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a4. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ea92dd
2013-05-06 19:34:32 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * 7b9e759 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a5. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b9e759
2013-05-06 19:34:32 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * 83cc49f / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a6. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=83cc49f
2013-05-06 19:34:34 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * d0583fb / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a7. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0583fb
2013-05-06 19:34:34 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * 8cc0dd0 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a8. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=8cc0dd0
2013-05-06 19:34:36 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * c4f413e / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a9. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4f413e
2013-05-06 19:34:36 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * 9442ec0 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a10. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=9442ec0
2013-05-06 19:34:38 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * c0053f4 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a11. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0053f4
2013-05-06 19:34:38 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * f8a11b2 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a12. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8a11b2
2013-05-06 19:34:40 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:upstream * 3d38ae3 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a13. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d38ae3
2013-05-06 19:34:40 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a10 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:42 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a11 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:42 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a12 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:44 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a13 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:44 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a3 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:46 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a4 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:46 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a5 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:48 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a6 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:48 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a7 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:49 < __hramrach> lots of spam :s
2013-05-06 19:34:50 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a8 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-06 19:34:50 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a9 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
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2013-05-06 19:35:11 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a1 * d20abfd / VERSION manpages/ca/live-tools.ca.7 manpages/de/live-tools.de.7 manpages/en/live-tools.7 manpages/es/live-tools.es.7 manpages/fr/live-tools.fr.7 manpages/po/ca/live-tools.7.po manpages/po/de/live-tools.7.po manpages/po/es/live-tools.7.po manpages/po/fr/live-tools.7.po manpages/pot/live-tools.7.pot: Adding upstream version 3.0.12. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=
2013-05-06 19:35:11 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a1 * 02db284 / : Adding upstream version 3.0.13. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=02db284
2013-05-06 19:35:12 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a1 * f8891ed / : Adding upstream version 3.0.14. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8891ed
2013-05-06 19:35:12 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a1 * 5e338dd / : Adding upstream version 3.0.15. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e338dd
2013-05-06 19:35:13 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a1 * e61a53d / : Adding upstream version 3.0.17. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=e61a53d
2013-05-06 19:35:13 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a1 * 58fe446 / : Adding upstream version 3.0.18. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=58fe446
2013-05-06 19:35:14 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a1 * 7d0a593 / : Adding upstream version 3.0.19. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d0a593
2013-05-06 19:35:14 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a1 * 9675ab6 / : Adding upstream version 3.0.20. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=9675ab6
2013-05-06 19:35:15 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a1 * df35266 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=df35266
2013-05-06 19:35:16 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a2 * d20abfd / VERSION manpages/ca/live-tools.ca.7 manpages/de/live-tools.de.7 manpages/en/live-tools.7 manpages/es/live-tools.es.7 manpages/fr/live-tools.fr.7 manpages/po/ca/live-tools.7.po manpages/po/de/live-tools.7.po manpages/po/es/live-tools.7.po manpages/po/fr/live-tools.7.po manpages/pot/live-tools.7.pot: Adding upstream version 3.0.12. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=
2013-05-06 19:35:16 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a2 * 02db284 / : Adding upstream version 3.0.13. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=02db284
2013-05-06 19:35:18 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a2 * f8891ed / : Adding upstream version 3.0.14. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8891ed
2013-05-06 19:35:18 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a2 * 5e338dd / : Adding upstream version 3.0.15. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e338dd
2013-05-06 19:35:20 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a2 * e61a53d / : Adding upstream version 3.0.17. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=e61a53d
2013-05-06 19:35:20 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a2 * 58fe446 / : Adding upstream version 3.0.18. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=58fe446
2013-05-06 19:35:22 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a2 * 7d0a593 / : Adding upstream version 3.0.19. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d0a593
2013-05-06 19:35:22 < irker570> git: daniel live-tools:4.0_a2 * 9675ab6 / : Adding upstream version 3.0.20. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=9675ab6
2013-05-06 19:35:24 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a2 * df35266 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=df35266
2013-05-06 19:35:24 < irker570> git: mail live-tools:4.0_a2 * 4796531 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a2. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=4796531
2013-05-06 19:49:06 < BTS> live-manual 1:4.0~a5-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-manual
2013-05-06 19:49:13 < BTS> live-tools 4.0~a13-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> (Closes: #706100) https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-tools
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2013-05-06 19:57:15 < mafios> hi
2013-05-06 19:57:40 < mafios> in 32bit lxde it wouldn't boot with persistence.conf and persistent boot option
2013-05-06 19:57:45 < mafios> now on 64bit
2013-05-06 19:57:55 < mafios> persistence.conf gets deleted on rebooting
2013-05-06 19:58:12 < mafios> and my files are not saved
2013-05-06 19:58:27 < mafios> 64bit=64bit lxde
2013-05-06 20:00:45 < mafios> all these with 7.0 debian
2013-05-06 20:00:59 < mafios> 6.x it works
2013-05-06 20:07:05 < SynrG> honestly, so far, every problem you've presented i've not been able to reproduce and turned out to be a problem at your end ... and i put so much time into this ...
2013-05-06 20:07:27 < SynrG> i'm finding it hard to get excited about going one more round with this
2013-05-06 20:07:29 < mafios> what problem can my hw cause
2013-05-06 20:07:43 < SynrG> i'm out at a caf? right now. limited bandwidth
2013-05-06 20:07:44 < mafios> maybe its not debian 7.0 compatible?
2013-05-06 20:07:48 < SynrG> no amd64 lxde ...
2013-05-06 20:07:58 < mafios> no prob just wanted to share 
2013-05-06 20:07:59 < SynrG> but i'm sure that amd64 lxde *would* work if i could download it and test
2013-05-06 20:08:09 < SynrG> i have proven it works fine with gnome amd64
2013-05-06 20:08:15 < mafios> yes
2013-05-06 20:08:19 < SynrG> there's nothing different between the two except which desktop is included
2013-05-06 20:08:32 < mafios> what prob can I be having then?
2013-05-06 20:08:49 < mafios> anyway I will burn the installation
2013-05-06 20:08:51 < mafios> and try that
2013-05-06 20:08:55 < mafios> to cd
2013-05-06 20:08:56 < mafios> or dvd
2013-05-06 20:11:15 < mafios> bye and thanks a lot
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2013-05-06 23:47:18 < gilphilbert> hi - can aonyone help?  i'm trying to build a live image that *doesn't* login with the liveuser. can it be done?
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2013-05-07 06:02:04 < user> hi, please which is the default username and password for live lxde 64bit?
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2013-05-07 06:03:03 < mafios> debian 7.0
2013-05-07 06:04:19 < pabs> probably just 'live'?
2013-05-07 06:04:31 < mafios> and no pass?
2013-05-07 06:04:35 < mafios> anyone knows for sure?
2013-05-07 06:04:50 < pabs> try live, pass live
2013-05-07 06:04:54 < dba> user is 'user', password is 'live'. consider reading http://live.debian.net/manual/
2013-05-07 06:05:42 < mafios> dba: thank you. I will consider.
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2013-05-07 06:46:06 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * 62d938d / project/legal.mdwn: Updating server location on disclaimer message. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=62d938d
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2013-05-07 06:46:06 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * f1dd3d7 / project/lifespan.mdwn: Updating lifespan page for post-wheezy release. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1dd3d7
2013-05-07 06:49:53 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * c4a902f / project/news.mdwn project/releases.mdwn: Adding release and news links to 7.0.0 images. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4a902f
2013-05-07 06:49:53 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * 7bb6d27 / project/roadmap.mdwn: Updating roadmap for 7.0.1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bb6d27
2013-05-07 06:50:45 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * 5229ec3 / project/status.mdwn: Updating status page. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=5229ec3
2013-05-07 06:53:01 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * 7157102 / devel/live-boot/index.mdwn: Completing news entries on live-boot devel page. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=7157102
2013-05-07 06:54:03 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * c10cc2e / devel/live-config/index.mdwn: Correcting date in news entry for 4.0~a1-1 in live-config devel page. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=c10cc2e
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2013-05-07 06:55:10 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * dbf006e / devel/rfc/wheezy.mdwn: Removing obsolete wheezy rfc page. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbf006e
2013-05-07 06:55:15 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * 0025918 / devel/rfc/index.mdwn devel/rfc/wheezy.mdwn: Removing obsolete wheezy rfc page. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=0025918
2013-05-07 07:08:14 < dba> SynrG: l.d.n/manpages is updated for 4.x etc.; /manual as well (though it will take a few minutes until the updated builds are in place.
2013-05-07 07:12:27 < irker137> git: mail live-systems.org:master * 81dc2f3 / index.mdwn: Updating manpage and manual links on index page to use suites rather than version numbers. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=81dc2f3
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2013-05-07 07:23:16 < dba> SynrG, chals: for manpages/manual, there are 2.x->oldstable, 3.x->stable, 4.x->unstable, and git->current symlinks
2013-05-07 07:23:32 < dba> 3.x (aka debian-old-3.0) is not autobuild anymore,
2013-05-07 07:23:38 < dba> 4.x (aka debian) is build every 30min,
2013-05-07 07:23:46 < dba> erm
2013-05-07 07:23:53 < dba> 4.x (aka debian) is build once a day,
2013-05-07 07:24:02 < dba> and git (aka debian-next) is build once every 30min.
2013-05-07 07:24:47 < dba> we already note the build-intervals on the top-level index page,
2013-05-07 07:25:45 < dba> but i'll be extending it to '[...] built $interval from $branch of $repo', so it's self-evident where stuff comes from.
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2013-05-07 09:29:28 -!- Irssi: Topic: -: 6.0.7 and 7.0~rc1/7.0~rc+nonfree: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/
2013-05-07 09:29:28 -!- Irssi: Topic: +: 6.0.7, 7.0.0/7.0.0+nonfree: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/
2013-05-07 09:29:28 -!- dba changed the topic of #debian-live to: http://live.debian.net/manual/current/ | 6.0.7, 7.0.0/7.0.0+nonfree: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/ | Snapshots: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/ | build your own: lb config && lb build (or http://live-build.debian.net) | BROKEN: snapshots (build your own)
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2013-05-07 09:37:07 < gilphilbert>  hi - can aonyone help?  i'm trying to build a live image that *doesn't* login with the liveuser. can it be done?
2013-05-07 09:37:15 < mafios> so this:
2013-05-07 09:37:17 < mafios> do
2013-05-07 09:37:45 < mafios> not boot=live, but boot=live config
2013-05-07 09:37:54 < mafios> or
2013-05-07 09:38:02 < mafios> boot=live-config
2013-05-07 09:38:05 < mafios> one of the 2
2013-05-07 09:38:18 < gilphilbert> mafios, this is for me?
2013-05-07 09:38:27 < mafios> mostly can be boot=live-config
2013-05-07 09:38:32 < mafios> gilphilbert: yes
2013-05-07 09:38:43 < mafios> it will go to the desktop
2013-05-07 09:38:44 < gilphilbert> wow, that was fast! thanks.
2013-05-07 09:38:49 < mafios> won't ask for username and pass
2013-05-07 09:38:55 < mafios> np
2013-05-07 09:39:07 < gilphilbert> ah, maybe that's not what i'm after...
2013-05-07 09:39:08 < mafios> on grub option this one
2013-05-07 09:39:10 < mafios> press tab
2013-05-07 09:39:19 < mafios> and change boot=live to what I have said
2013-05-07 09:40:00 < gilphilbert> there''s no deskop, no X at all. when the live image boots, it dumps me to a command prompt for the live user.
2013-05-07 09:40:18 < gilphilbert> is there a way to got it to stop at a login prompt?
2013-05-07 09:40:37 < mafios> never used debian with no gui sorry, in my case I had a gui asking username and pass
2013-05-07 09:40:48 < mafios> when the grub option, never asked anymore
2013-05-07 09:41:03 < mafios> or any bootloader debian uses option
2013-05-07 09:41:30 < mafios> the default pass is "live"
2013-05-07 09:41:38 < gilphilbert> yes, that will autologin and take you to the desktop. i don't think it'll be a bootloader option, i think it'll be a hook, but i don't know what the content would be
2013-05-07 09:41:40 < mafios> sec
2013-05-07 09:41:59 < mafios> login: user , pass :live
2013-05-07 09:42:08 < mafios> have you tried live as a password?
2013-05-07 09:42:12 < gilphilbert> yes, thanks.
2013-05-07 09:42:33 < gilphilbert> the problem is that it's already logged in when it boots. i want to stop it logging in
2013-05-07 09:43:09 < mafios> hey man got persistence to work?
2013-05-07 09:43:14 < dba> there's no such thing as 'boot=live-config'.
2013-05-07 09:44:53 < gilphilbert> mafios: haven't tried yet - i'm still trying to get over this one first :-0
2013-05-07 09:44:58 < gilphilbert> :-)
2013-05-07 09:45:43 < dba> gilphilbert: to disable autologin, see man live-config.
2013-05-07 09:46:28 < gilphilbert> dba: i've scoured it and can't find a reference anywhere... am i missing something?
2013-05-07 09:47:02 < SynrG> dba: re manual, ack
2013-05-07 09:47:09 < dba> gilphilbert: did you look for autologin?
2013-05-07 09:47:58 < gilphilbert> d'oh just found it :-S
2013-05-07 09:48:19 < gilphilbert> live-config.noautologin | noautologin
2013-05-07 09:48:36 < gilphilbert> where do i put this though, is it a boot param?
2013-05-07 09:50:09 < gilphilbert> no worries, got it. thanks dba :-)
2013-05-07 09:52:59 < irker137> git: mail live-config:debian-next * 1936f92 / : Correcting spelling typo in manpage about disabling sudo and policykit scripts. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1936f92
2013-05-07 10:03:46 < irker137> git: mail live-config:debian-next * 87113f6 / : Correcting spelling typo in manpage about disabling sudo and policykit scripts. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=87113f6
2013-05-07 10:03:46 < irker137> git: mail live-config:debian-next * e649f79 / manpages/de/live-config.de.7 manpages/po/de/live-config.7.po: Updating German manpage translations. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=e649f79
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2013-05-07 10:15:33 < gilphilbert> dba, sorry to ask again - i've got this working on the boot line. do you know the variable for it to go in /etc/live/config.conf? it's not in the manpage...
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2013-05-07 10:33:53 < dba> gilphilbert: the manpage explains the use of variables
2013-05-07 10:34:23 < gilphilbert> yes, but there's no variable there for noautologin
2013-05-07 10:37:08 < gilphilbert> it states it's a shortcut, but doesn't list what the individual scripts are that it disables...
2013-05-07 10:38:29 < dba> it does
2013-05-07 10:39:21 < dba> ah, no.. the shortcut for noroot does say which ones it disables.
2013-05-07 10:40:24 < gilphilbert> i think it's xinit
2013-05-07 10:40:56 < gilphilbert> so i can do: LIVE_NOCONFIGS=xinit
2013-05-07 10:41:57 < dba> depends on if you're using xinit for graphical autologin or not
2013-05-07 10:42:12 < dba> usually, one would use a display manager (like gdm, kdm, etc)
2013-05-07 10:42:34 < gilphilbert> hmmm. i'm not using a display manager
2013-05-07 10:43:13 < gilphilbert> i've found this, it seems to list the scripts disabled by the noautologin shortcut: https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2011/09/msg00112.html
2013-05-07 10:45:26 < gilphilbert> but otherwise i've no idea which script to disable to stop the console from autologin...
2013-05-07 11:02:29 < gilphilbert> dba, i have found this in the mailing list, the code is: live-config.nottyautologin, LIVE_NOCONFIGS="${LIVE_NOCONFIGS},sysvinit"
2013-05-07 11:02:46 < gilphilbert> so, i can just run noconfig=sysvinit
2013-05-07 11:03:59 < gilphilbert> not sure what else that disables though
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2013-05-07 11:22:23 < dba> gilphilbert: almost; the sysvinit script does more than just the user-autologin
2013-05-07 11:22:41 < dba> (it also disables the tmpfs on /tmp which is useless on a live system)
2013-05-07 11:23:15 < dba> so, ideally, you would be able to only disable user creation, but i see that we missed that case
2013-05-07 11:23:23 < dba> and live-config doesn't allow that (yet).
2013-05-07 11:24:07 < dba> since the tmpfs thing is just a cosmetical issue, you can probably live with it having it not disabled (by disabling the 'entire' sysvint script)
2013-05-07 11:37:35 < gilphilbert> ahhh
2013-05-07 11:39:48 < gilphilbert> thanks dba, one question: is there a problem with having the tempfs enabled (other than it's not really required)? i assume it just means a little more RAM is used...
2013-05-07 11:44:22 < dba> on normal desktop machines, there shouldn't be a technical problem with it
2013-05-07 11:44:52 < dba> there might be edge cases, and problems when you have not enough ram, but normally one doesn't hit them.
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2013-05-07 11:52:10 < gilphilbert> ah, this will be running on a server with 4+ GB of RAM, possibly up to 96GB, so shouldn't be a problem :-)
2013-05-07 11:55:11 < dba> anything with 2gb you can safely ignore that anyway, sure.
2013-05-07 11:55:49 < dba> however, i'll fix that later in live-config 4.x, so that shortcuts are 'directly' specifiable as variables
2013-05-07 11:56:33 < dba> and handle noautologin in the sysvinitscript so that the rest of the script (tmpfs disabling) is run.
2013-05-07 12:05:50 < chals> dba: ack, thanks I see everything seems to be in place irt live-manual autobuild now
2013-05-07 12:07:05 < chals> SynrG: I see the live images link in debian.org still link to the squeeze ones and so does the persistence link, are you aware of that?
2013-05-07 12:07:44 < chals> Is the sync'ing not complete yet perhaps?
2013-05-07 12:08:39 < chals> https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
2013-05-07 12:15:12 < gilphilbert> cool,thanks. if i edit the sysvinit script manually in the chroot, that would fix it for now...?
2013-05-07 12:17:45 < gilphilbert> ah, i've found a better solution: i can stop the user-setup script for now. i don't need the live user so this works for me
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2013-05-07 12:44:24 < SynrG> chals: syncing is not done yet. last i heard from Sledge before he went to bed last night is it was proceeding slowly
2013-05-07 12:44:59 < Sledge> still going...
2013-05-07 12:45:12 < SynrG> you said:
2013-05-07 12:45:13 < SynrG> 21:44 <@Sledge> 67/193 files to go of the first half, according to rsync
2013-05-07 12:45:17 < SynrG> where is it now?
2013-05-07 12:45:26 < Sledge> sec...
2013-05-07 12:45:39 < Sledge> 2/193 to go for the free images
2013-05-07 12:45:56 < Sledge> taking a long time to download
2013-05-07 12:46:04 < chals> SynrG, Sledge: I see, thanks
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2013-05-07 13:04:48 < dba> you'd probably better download them by http and rsync over it afterwards if rsync traffic is slowed down between the two hosts.
2013-05-07 13:11:07 < SynrG> since we previously offered only free images, not non-free, and it takes so long, my vote would be to announce availability of free images as soon as they are available
2013-05-07 13:11:14 < SynrG> then do a second announcement later about the non-free
2013-05-07 13:11:53 < SynrG> as for /CD/Live i will need to nuke the usb-hdd section ...
2013-05-07 13:14:00 < SynrG> and there is no netboot. and there is webboot. do we have doc for webboot?
2013-05-07 13:15:24 < SynrG> i have reservations about linking to webboot from /CD/Live until we have doc.
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2013-05-07 13:24:45 < dba> SynrG: the nonfree ones are not official, so..
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2013-05-07 13:38:27 < gilphilbert> hi, i have a new problem (sorry, new to this). i'm trying to disable user-setup so i created a file "config/includes.chroot/etc/live/config.conf" with the content "LIVE_NOCONFIGS=user-setup"
2013-05-07 13:38:48 < gilphilbert> but it's still being loaded... any ideas?
2013-05-07 13:43:14 < dba> what are your boot parameters?
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2013-05-07 13:46:56 < gilphilbert> i'm using all defaults at the moment > linux /live/vmlinuz boot=live config quiet splash initrd=/live/initrd.img
2013-05-07 13:50:39 < SynrG> dba: unofficial doesn't mean "not mentioned anywhere on www.d.o, though. compare https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04
2013-05-07 13:52:03 < SynrG> nor would i omit an announcement just because they're unofficial
2013-05-07 13:52:21 < dba> SynrG: unofficial means.. 'no hurry'.
2013-05-07 13:53:03 < dba> so if you feel like announcing the official ones being mirrored on cdimage.d.o shouldn't 'wait' for the unofficial ones being synced too, then there's no problem with that.
2013-05-07 13:54:33 < __hramrach> webboot?
2013-05-07 13:54:41 < SynrG> ah, got it
2013-05-07 13:54:47 < SynrG> dba: btw, our manual says: http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html#163
2013-05-07 13:55:19 < SynrG> i.e. no cdimage.debian.org pointer to the non-free images
2013-05-07 13:55:32 < SynrG> we might consider changing that
2013-05-07 13:56:16 < SynrG> __hramrach: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/7.0.0/amd64/webboot/
2013-05-07 13:57:44 < SynrG> with appropriate boot parameter (see live-boot doc) kernel and initrd, a live system can be booted specifying URL to the squashfs.
2013-05-07 13:58:04 < __hramrach> or the iso
2013-05-07 13:58:06 < SynrG> obviously this is super slow if your http server isn't local
2013-05-07 13:58:14 < __hramrach> so you save space by storing only isos
2013-05-07 13:58:29 < dba> gilphilbert: if you have 'config' in cmdline, then all scripts are enabled already at the point where the variable is read
2013-05-07 13:58:30 < __hramrach> also you want deduplication of the files since kernels are teh same for all
2013-05-07 13:59:03 < dba> gilphilbert: best is if you either use cmdline, or variables, but not both (unless you make sure they don't overwrite each other in a way you don't want)
2013-05-07 13:59:05 < __hramrach> sadly the initrds are not the same but should be interchangeable, anyway
2013-05-07 13:59:10 < gilphilbert> oh, so what do i want in the boot params
2013-05-07 13:59:35 < gilphilbert> do i remove "config" from the boot params then?
2013-05-07 13:59:56 < dba> did that not make sense what i just said? ;)
2013-05-07 14:00:22 < gilphilbert> yes, i think i get it now  - i didn't make the link between config and no-config :-S
2013-05-07 14:00:28 < gilphilbert> thanks so much :-)
2013-05-07 14:01:07 < __hramrach> SynrG: you can also use iSCSI which is moderately slow 
2013-05-07 14:01:45 < __hramrach> I think boot.kernel.org or something had sample bootable Debian images some time ago
2013-05-07 14:02:27 < __hramrach> Debian being the only distro doing iSCSI ;-)
2013-05-07 14:05:48 < __hramrach> hmm, looks like boot.kernel.org is discontinued
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2013-05-07 14:06:22 < SynrG> maybe fell out of the site compromise flap?
2013-05-07 14:07:35 < dba> jup, they never restored it after the break,
2013-05-07 14:07:55 < dba> and then they, unless i'm mistaken, the people went on and did boot.me
2013-05-07 14:08:15 < dba> hm, and that appears to have gone as well
2013-05-07 14:08:30 < dba> ah, it's netboot.me now
2013-05-07 14:08:38 < lcapriotti> q:I have additional archives (live_build 3.0.5) in my config tree, I can see they are placed under /etc/apt/sources.list.d in the chroot after the build, but they do not appear in the live system, what  have I done wrong..?
2013-05-07 14:09:29 < dba> how did you name the snippets in config/archives/*
2013-05-07 14:09:33 < lcapriotti> ls configFiles/archives/
2013-05-07 14:09:33 < lcapriotti> tvheadend.key.binary  tvheadend.key.chroot  tvheadend.list.binary  tvheadend.list.chroot  xbmc.key.binary  xbmc.key.chroot  xbmc.list.binary  xbmc.list.chroot
2013-05-07 14:09:55 < dba> that's ok
2013-05-07 14:10:16 < lcapriotti> I can't get it then
2013-05-07 14:10:19 < dba> make sure that you can reproduce it will a rebuild from scratch,
2013-05-07 14:10:45 < lcapriotti> trying a full rebuild then
2013-05-07 14:10:46 < lcapriotti> tks
2013-05-07 14:11:00 < dba> and make sure you have no hook removing them, and no option to strip them (there are some)
2013-05-07 14:11:23 < dba> (non default, of course, but you could have enabled it mistakenly)
2013-05-07 14:11:48 < lcapriotti> such as..?
2013-05-07 14:12:22 < dba> i don't know off hand, look for --apt-* and /usr/share/live/build/hooks/*sources*
2013-05-07 14:12:30 < lcapriotti> ok
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2013-05-07 14:14:19 < gilphilbert> dba, i know i'm being a pain, but it's still not working. i now have my .conf file excluding user-setup and i've removed "config" from my boot params. now *no* scripts are running :-(
2013-05-07 14:15:39 < lcapriotti> this seems a good candidate: 0910-remove-apt-sources-lists.chroot
2013-05-07 14:17:12 < lcapriotti> damn, as you guessed I included it mistakenly...
2013-05-07 14:17:27 < lcapriotti> tks for the support anyway...
2013-05-07 14:19:59 < dba> gilphilbert: with 3.x, if you use the variables, you'll need to do 'everything yourself', means..
2013-05-07 14:21:04 < dba> gilphilbert: you need to set them to the *exact* values you need. if you set LIVE_NOCONFIGS="user-setup", but no _SCRIPTS, then stuff will not work.
2013-05-07 14:21:45 < gilphilbert> oh, the documentation doesn't make that very clear!
2013-05-07 14:21:47 < dba> (the variables way is an internal way of messing with things, it's not (yet) 'automatic' as the cmdline one; i'll change that in 4.x)
2013-05-07 14:21:52 < gilphilbert> right, i'll work on it
2013-05-07 14:23:51 < irker100> git: mail live-config:debian-next * b018878 / scripts/config.sh: Reading configuration files before cmdline options. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=b018878
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2013-05-07 14:27:44 < irker100> git: mail live-config:debian-next * bef50cf / : Declaring LIVE_CONFIG_CMDLINE an exported variable and make it usable through configuration files. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=bef50cf
2013-05-07 14:27:44 < gilphilbert> dba, i just wanted to say how awesome this all is and thank you for your help :-)
2013-05-07 14:27:54 < dba> gilphilbert: with current git now, you could do this:
2013-05-07 14:28:54 < dba> echo "LIVE_CONFIG_CMDLINE="config noconfig=user-setup" >> /etc/live/config/$whatever.conf
2013-05-07 14:28:58 < dba> and be done with it
2013-05-07 14:29:24 < __hramrach> would be nice if the webboot images included httpfs
2013-05-07 14:31:43 < irker100> git: mail live-config:debian-next * 06a32a2 / scripts/config.sh scripts/config/0170-sysvinit: Running sysvinit script even when noautologin is used, but run enabling of autologins only when no noautologin is set. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=06a32a2
2013-05-07 14:32:15 < dba> __hramrach: is httpfs2 as in current debian working?
2013-05-07 14:32:59 < __hramrach> I use it for booting my images
2013-05-07 14:33:46 < dba> also, please get the new version in and clean up the bts
2013-05-07 14:33:57 < gilphilbert> thanks, i'll try with the new git version :-)
2013-05-07 14:34:06 < dba> if 0.1.4 is working, we can pull it in via recommends (for the desktop images)
2013-05-07 14:34:13 < __hramrach> oh, I guess I use a newer one
2013-05-07 14:34:34 < __hramrach> the one in Debian hs 2G limit on file size on 32bit or something
2013-05-07 14:36:38 < __hramrach> dba: package at https://launchpad.net/~hramrach/+archive/ppa/+packages
2013-05-07 14:37:14 < dba> __hramrach: i cannot (technically) sponsor your package, you have to ask someone else
2013-05-07 14:37:23 < __hramrach> hmm
2013-05-07 14:37:36 < dba> such as SynrG *hint
2013-05-07 14:37:43 < SynrG> groan
2013-05-07 14:38:11 < __hramrach> I can try looking in some debian channel, too
2013-05-07 14:39:50 < SynrG> just let's say sponsoring a filesystem package exceeds my comfort level
2013-05-07 14:39:56 < SynrG> it's not that i just am avoiding the work :)
2013-05-07 14:40:30 < SynrG> you could probably find a more suitable sponsor
2013-05-07 14:41:27 < SynrG> __hramrach: or RFS -> debian-mentors@lists.d.o
2013-05-07 14:42:56 < SynrG> i suppose being read-only takes some of the scariness out of it ...
2013-05-07 14:43:25 < SynrG> if you absolutely can't find a better sponsor in a reasonable amount of time, ask me again. might be able to twist my arm :)
2013-05-07 14:44:04 < __hramrach> I have no idea about filesystems either. Just nobody maintained the thing and I happen to find it useful ;-)
2013-05-07 14:44:43 < SynrG> oh great. so, the blind leading the blind? :)
2013-05-07 14:45:02 < __hramrach> ItWorksForMe(tm)
2013-05-07 14:46:20 < __hramrach> the live booting actually stresses filesystems quite a bit so being able to boot from it reliably means it's quite stable
2013-05-07 14:48:02 < SynrG> yeah
2013-05-07 14:48:34 < dba> after all, it's fuse. so it's not a comparable level of magic involved as with the 'traditional' filesystems.
2013-05-07 14:50:05 < __hramrach> it's the same magic but at worst you get stuck reading from the filesystem when it fails or get garbage or something
2013-05-07 14:50:13 < __hramrach> no kernel crashes
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2013-05-07 14:59:15 < __hramrach> also httpfs2 has like 2 inodes the / directory and the file
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2013-05-07 15:07:55 < __hramrach> dba: looks like the initrd is also missing the resolver modules
2013-05-07 15:08:43 < __hramrach> so no netbooting with the current web boot images unless you know server IP
2013-05-07 15:12:09 < dba> that has never been enabled by default anyway, yes
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2013-05-07 15:14:31 < __hramrach> makes te webboot images kind of hard to boot
2013-05-07 15:16:59 < __hramrach> SynrG: fuse has nice sample code for making filesystems so you don't need to know anything. The only catch was that there are two modes and one of them did not work presumably due to TCP connections exhausting file handles
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2013-05-07 15:19:53 < __hramrach> hmm, there is an option to boot CD iso directly using memdisk on boot.me so in absence of httpfs or anything this is probably the way to go
2013-05-07 15:23:58 < gilphilbert> dba, i've installed the newest git, now i don't have any manpages for lb_config > "man: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man1/lb_config.1.gz: No such file or directory"
2013-05-07 15:25:37 < __hramrach> there was some isssue with man pages, yes
2013-05-07 15:25:49 < __hramrach> I don't have them either
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2013-05-07 15:26:05 < gilphilbert> hmmm. i don't know what the options are for lb_config and don't seem to be able to find the man page online...
2013-05-07 15:26:12 < __hramrach> with some not exactly newest git
2013-05-07 15:26:34 < __hramrach> it will be in the git repo. just fails to install
2013-05-07 15:26:47 < __hramrach> I think the man pages were moved or something
2013-05-07 15:28:06 < gilphilbert> any idea where i can find it?
2013-05-07 15:28:27 < __hramrach> manpages/en.old/lb_config.1
2013-05-07 15:28:43 < __hramrach> in git repo
2013-05-07 15:29:39 < gilphilbert> ah, was in en instead of en.old
2013-05-07 15:29:44 < gilphilbert> thanks
2013-05-07 15:31:15 < gilphilbert> i know this will sound stupid, what do i do with these files?
2013-05-07 15:33:31 < __hramrach> man manpages/en.old/lb_config.1
2013-05-07 15:34:29 < gilphilbert> No manual entry for lb_config.1
2013-05-07 15:34:42 < dba> gilphilbert: you shouldn't use live-build from git
2013-05-07 15:34:58 < gilphilbert> really? i thought you said i should...
2013-05-07 15:34:58 < dba> gilphilbert: and that will not solve your problem anyway, you're looking for newer live-config
2013-05-07 15:35:17 < gilphilbert> ah....
2013-05-07 15:36:46 < gilphilbert> so, live-config from git...
2013-05-07 15:36:47 < gilphilbert> ?
2013-05-07 15:37:39 < __hramrach> or maybe from l.d.n repo or sid or something
2013-05-07 15:43:17 < gilphilbert> sorry, fairly new to some of this although been using linux for years.
2013-05-07 15:43:21 < __hramrach> lb config --archives live.debian.net should give you very current packages
2013-05-07 15:43:40 < gilphilbert> dba kndly updated live-config after i had a problem eariler today
2013-05-07 15:43:54 < gilphilbert> so the update is very, very new :-)
2013-05-07 15:44:18 < __hramrach> if it was released it will be there otherwise build from git and include as custom package
2013-05-07 15:44:47 < dba> we don't have l.d.n/debian populated at the moment,
2013-05-07 15:44:54 < gilphilbert> gilphilbert: with current git now, you could do this:
2013-05-07 15:45:02 < dba> your only way for now is to build a git snapshot yourself and put it in config/packages.chroot
2013-05-07 15:45:04 < gilphilbert> so, i need the git version i imagine
2013-05-07 15:46:05 < gilphilbert> config/packages.chroot will get built into the live image, won't it...?
2013-05-07 15:46:28 < __hramrach> yes. should
2013-05-07 15:46:52 < __hramrach> look in hte manual to make sure you don't need pinning or something to make it work
2013-05-07 15:47:00 < gilphilbert> hmmm
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2013-05-07 15:47:16 < gilphilbert> maybe i'll wait until it's in a repo. some of this means nothing to me :-(
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2013-05-07 15:47:30 < __hramrach> or just try it and look in the manual if ti does not work ;-)
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2013-05-07 15:47:59 < __hramrach> it's good idea to add local version suffix wehn building the package so that you can tell it's your package installed
2013-05-07 15:48:33 < gilphilbert> i'm really confused though... if i build ld_config (is that the right package), i'll want to run it on the server making builds, not the builds it produces...
2013-05-07 15:49:03 < __hramrach> no, you want to run it in the build it produces
2013-05-07 15:49:29 < gilphilbert> really?
2013-05-07 15:49:29 < __hramrach> it's used while the live system is booting
2013-05-07 15:49:36 < gilphilbert> ahhhhhhhhh
2013-05-07 15:49:43 < gilphilbert> i see
2013-05-07 15:49:49 < gilphilbert> will it override the standard one?
2013-05-07 15:50:11 < __hramrach> there is only one version of every package
2013-05-07 15:50:29 < __hramrach> if you install yours the one from Debian repo will not be there
2013-05-07 15:51:08 < gilphilbert> sorry, normally it must include a ld_config normally...? if i put one in myself, will it ignore the one that's normally used...?
2013-05-07 15:51:13 < gilphilbert> ah
2013-05-07 15:51:14 < gilphilbert> right,
2013-05-07 15:51:20 < gilphilbert> thanks :-)
2013-05-07 15:53:15 < gilphilbert> so i want to build live-config from git? just checking i have the right package...
2013-05-07 15:54:17 < BTS> Opened #707116 in live-build 3.0.5-1 by Sven Dreyer <sdreyer@gmx.de> <<httpfs2 support broken>>. https://bugs.debian.org/707116
2013-05-07 16:05:31 < gilphilbert> hmmm. it's built four packages, the live-config, -doc, -systemd, -sysvinit and -upstart. do i need them all?
2013-05-07 16:05:38 < gilphilbert> (oops, that's 5)
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2013-05-07 16:06:37 < gilphilbert> __hramrach ^^ help please!  :-)
2013-05-07 16:12:05 < dba> __hramrach: can you comment on #707116?
2013-05-07 16:37:06 < haylo> gilphilbert: are you still trying to make sure you user does not auto login?
2013-05-07 16:37:33 < gilphilbert> haha, yes haylo
2013-05-07 16:37:55 < haylo> its not part of live build really. thats why you arent getting an answer
2013-05-07 16:38:26 < gilphilbert> ah, i see. i was just going to put them all in to see what happens
2013-05-07 16:38:31 < SynrG> *no* answer? he has had plenty of answers
2013-05-07 16:38:55 < gilphilbert> SynrG > yes, you guys have been amazing
2013-05-07 16:39:23 < SynrG> what i see is a lot of "i'm not quite sure how it all works" types of questions. most of those are answered by the doc ...
2013-05-07 16:39:36 < SynrG> after a while, enthusiasm for answering them all tapers off. that's all :)
2013-05-07 16:39:59 < SynrG> so in particular, if you have a self-built live-config ...
2013-05-07 16:40:08 < SynrG> you only need the backend you actually use
2013-05-07 16:40:11 < gilphilbert> i quite appreciate it - i do their job on another channel and it does get tiresome, so i understand. that's why i appreciate the help so much :-)
2013-05-07 16:40:22 < SynrG> so, omit systemd and upstart, as i'm pretty sure you're not using those
2013-05-07 16:41:07 < gilphilbert> cool, thank you very much :-)
2013-05-07 16:41:18 < SynrG> haylo: as for him using git vs. otherwise, we noticed that live-config configuration via configuration file has "issues" ...
2013-05-07 16:41:29 < SynrG> vs. doing it through --bootappend-live
2013-05-07 16:41:54 < haylo> ah you guys are all good. im just trying to refrain from telling the guys one of my hacks
2013-05-07 16:41:55 < SynrG> so, he's very close to solving it using config files. and i understand the need for further "handholding" at this stage
2013-05-07 16:42:00 < SynrG> given how new he is to it all
2013-05-07 16:42:45 < SynrG> i.e. it's not really the *same* problem as before, but a tributary issue that cropped up along the way
2013-05-07 16:47:50 < gilphilbert> thanks for all the help guys, i'm starting from scratch with my new packages. fingers crossed :-)
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2013-05-07 16:52:11 < SynrG> and you understand those packages belong inside your config and are used by the target system, right?
2013-05-07 16:52:26 < SynrG> just checking, as this is a point many newbies get wrong.
2013-05-07 16:52:58 < SynrG> i.e. in config/packages.chroot/
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2013-05-07 16:54:15 < mafios> hi
2013-05-07 16:54:43 < mafios> I am using live 64bit xfce with persistence
2013-05-07 16:55:05 < mafios> I installed lxpanel package, but it doesn't seem to be an option at logg-off
2013-05-07 16:55:16 < mafios> I want lxpanel instead of xfce
2013-05-07 16:55:33 < dba> not a live specific problem, ask on #debian.
2013-05-07 16:56:51 < mafios> thanks dba 
2013-05-07 17:02:01 < gilphilbert> SynrG, yes - they're in /config/packages.chroot as they're used by the booting live system, not by the build server
2013-05-07 17:02:05 < gilphilbert> that right?
2013-05-07 17:02:15 < dba> yes
2013-05-07 17:02:21 < gilphilbert> fantastic.
2013-05-07 17:02:25 < gilphilbert> got there at last!
2013-05-07 17:02:27 < SynrG> correct (minus the leading slash, which i would take to mean "relative to the top of the VFS")
2013-05-07 17:02:34 < gilphilbert> sorry, tes
2013-05-07 17:02:36 < gilphilbert> (yes)
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2013-05-07 17:04:02 < gilphilbert> ah, it has thrown an error: live-config : Depends: live-debconfig but it is not installable
2013-05-07 17:06:42 < gilphilbert> i assume that's because i'm still running the 3.0 live-debconfig...
2013-05-07 17:12:49 < dba> hm, no.. that's because live-config 4.x doesn't use user-setup anymore
2013-05-07 17:13:07 < dba> (but live-debconfig instead, which is in sid, so.. you should copy the live-debconfig .deb into packages.chroot too)
2013-05-07 17:16:34 < gilphilbert> yes, i built live-debconfig from git too and included it in packages.chroot
2013-05-07 17:16:38 < gilphilbert> is that right?
2013-05-07 17:18:25 < gilphilbert> hang on, if 4.0 doesn't use user-setup then will the command you gave me earlier work?
2013-05-07 17:18:26 < gilphilbert> <dba> echo "LIVE_CONFIG_CMDLINE="config noconfig=user-setup" >> /etc/live/config/$whatever.conf
2013-05-07 17:19:26 < gilphilbert> (i have noauto.conf with >> LIVE_CONFIG_CMDLINE="config noconfig=user-setup"
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2013-05-07 17:31:49 < dba> gilphilbert: you need to supstitute 'user-setup' with 'live-debconfig' there
2013-05-07 17:31:53 < dba> otherwise it should work.
2013-05-07 17:35:38 < gilphilbert> cool - i'll change that. it's failed to build now though: cp: cannot stat `chroot/boot/vmlinuz-*': No such file or directory
2013-05-07 17:35:57 < gilphilbert> i'll do a lb clean and try again
2013-05-07 17:39:15 < gilphilbert> dba: just to confirm, has the directory changed? i'm using config/includes.chroot/etc/live/config.d/noauto.conf   < is that ok?
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2013-05-07 18:09:00 < dba> gilphillbert: no, it should be [...]/etc/live/config/noauto.conf
2013-05-07 18:09:24 < dba> (mind the '.d' difference)
2013-05-07 18:09:50 < gilphillbert> ah, this has changed...?
2013-05-07 18:09:57 < dba> not really
2013-05-07 18:12:06 < gilphillbert> oh, the docs say it's conf.d online...
2013-05-07 18:12:15 < gilphillbert> no worries, i'll rebuild in a bit
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2013-05-07 18:21:55 < gilphillbert> by the way, is there any way to exclude packages? at the moment i'm running a hook to remove them, but it downloads and installs them before removing them again. it would be cleaner to just not install them...
2013-05-07 18:23:11 < dba> are you looking at the right documentation?
2013-05-07 18:23:27 < dba> and which one exactly?
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2013-05-07 18:38:59 < gilphillbert> dba: http://dev.man-online.org/man7/live-config/
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2013-05-07 19:01:12 < dba> gilphillbert: exactly for that reason, we do provide manpages online at live.debian.net/manpages
2013-05-07 19:01:30 < dba> gilphillbert: since random pages in the internet are carrying outdated crap all the time..
2013-05-07 19:12:02 < gilphillbert> ah, ok - i didn't realise those weren't your man pages!
2013-05-07 19:15:13 < dba> s/your/our/
2013-05-07 19:15:31 < dba> in general, for all documentation, always use live.debian.net exclusively.
2013-05-07 19:16:10 < gilphillbert> haha, ok our :-)
2013-05-07 19:16:18 < gilphillbert> one thing though, there is a mistake in your manpages
2013-05-07 19:16:27 < gilphillbert> http://live.debian.net/manpages/current/en/html/live-config.7.html
2013-05-07 19:16:37 < gilphillbert> do a search for conf.d - there's one reference
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2013-05-07 19:18:42 < gilphillbert> my package live-debconfig seems to have a bug - when it runs, i can't select anything - it's like the machine freezes
2013-05-07 19:18:56 < gilphillbert> that's the one built from git
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2013-05-07 19:36:04 < dba> gilphillbert: it says '[...] files placed in the conf.d directories do not require [...]'
2013-05-07 19:36:18 < dba> gilphillbert: 'conf.d directories' is a standing expression
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2013-05-07 19:36:33 < dba> or terminus technici
2013-05-07 19:39:46 < irker451> git: mail live-config:debian-next * 4f531ec / : Updating configuration filename example to more current real-world example name. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f531ec
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2013-05-07 19:44:31 < gillphillbert> dba: that's a little confusing for newbies like me! - i created the directory as conf.d!
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2013-05-07 19:50:49 < irker451> git: mail live-config:debian-next * d25a873 / : Spelling out conf.d directories as 'configuration directories' in manpage. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=d25a873
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2013-05-07 22:50:04 < gillphillbert> another question, this one should be easy and i think i know the answer. persistence has to be setup using the boot param, correct? there's no config file that can be used...
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2013-05-08 02:43:07 < gillphillbert> dba: i've come up with a *very* simple solution to my earlier problem. i've tried all night with many variations of trying to stop user-setup running and none of them have worked without crippling the system. so, i've created a hook that runs in the chroot and deletes the user-setup script!
2013-05-08 02:43:39 < gillphillbert> might not be elegant, but works like a charm
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2013-05-08 04:38:47 < dba> gillphillbert: live-boot can be configured with conffiles as well.
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2013-05-08 05:11:05 < __hramrach> dba: that's the fuse not working with busybox mount
2013-05-08 05:11:17 < __hramrach> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23707116
2013-05-08 05:11:45 < __hramrach> I sent patches for that and it works for me but not sure where they landed and where not
2013-05-08 05:12:01 < __hramrach> sounds like that person needs newer live-boot-initramfs
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2013-05-08 05:13:54 < __hramrach> 19c72d40012 is supposed to fix that
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2013-05-08 05:17:27 < twb> http://paste.debian.net/2808/ yay for gratuitously hardware-specific kernels -- halved by install size :-)
2013-05-08 05:17:32 < twb> s/by/my/
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2013-05-08 05:21:33 < __hramrach> dba: I guess 69f09ebf1e8cd9 breaks fuse again since it copies the mount binary based on ${FUSE_MOUNT} which is set after it is checked 
2013-05-08 05:23:06 < __hramrach>  the if [ ! -z "${NETBOOT}" ] || [ ! -z "${FETCH}" ] || [ ! -z "${HTTPFS}" ] || [ ! -z "${FTPFS}" ] sets it
2013-05-08 05:23:25 < dba> __hramrach: can you commit a fix?
2013-05-08 05:24:25 < __hramrach> dba: revert 69f09ebf1e8cd9 ?
2013-05-08 05:27:21 < __hramrach> git seems to handle that
2013-05-08 05:27:24 < twb> Aw, it didn't boot properly, though, because aufs is absent because I built from mainline instead of debian.  Oh well, fun time is over, back to building useful images...
2013-05-08 05:28:05 < __hramrach> twb: you can use overlayfs which is easy to patch over mainline if not mainlined already
2013-05-08 05:28:21 < __hramrach> also aufs has repos with patches for various kernel versions
2013-05-08 05:28:41 < twb> __hramrach: meh, it's not like I really need to save 25MB of disk space
2013-05-08 05:29:13 < __hramrach> it comes handy when you need some drivers not in Debian yet
2013-05-08 05:30:00 < __hramrach> dba: which branch has 3.x now?
2013-05-08 05:30:22 < __hramrach> I cannot find it on debian nor old-3.0
2013-05-08 05:39:57 < dba> __hramrach: don't commit to debian-old-3.0, but to debian-next instead.
2013-05-08 05:40:13 < dba> we want to have it first in 4.x, and later backport it to 3.x for 7.0.1.
2013-05-08 05:41:16 < dba> but i don't see why 69f09eb needs a revert,
2013-05-08 05:41:58 < dba> i mean.. reverting it just makes the unwanted boot-parameter-dependency back
2013-05-08 05:42:33 < dba> it should be dependent on if fuse is used or not, and if that's imperfectly implemented, then that needs fixing (and not bringing back the boot parameter requirement).
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2013-05-08 05:45:48 < dba> __hramrach: that should do it, right? http://paste.debian.net/2809/
2013-05-08 05:46:57 < dba> erm, no
2013-05-08 05:49:16 < dba> __hramrach: this one should.. http://paste.debian.net/2810/
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2013-05-08 06:14:03 < dba> __hramrach?
2013-05-08 06:20:13 < __hramrach> dba: yes, that should
2013-05-08 06:20:27 < __hramrach> that was the previous behaviour
2013-05-08 06:20:45 < __hramrach> you did not like that using fuse triggers some random change in initramfs
2013-05-08 06:21:02 < __hramrach> that parameter was to *disable* the overwriting of the broken mount
2013-05-08 06:21:14 < __hramrach> in case somebody had some other mysterious mount problem
2013-05-08 06:21:46 < __hramrach> and we don't know if we need that since the script that overwrites klibs mount with util-linux mount was never really released
2013-05-08 06:23:37 < __hramrach> if you donlt like the parameter  you can just remove the part with parameter and it will still work. just no fallback for people who find they really needed the klibc mount
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2013-05-08 06:25:00 < __hramrach>  I think revert should be easiest
2013-05-08 06:25:25 < __hramrach> I don't know if I will have much time looking into this until next week
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2013-05-08 06:39:32 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:debian-next * 69a2504 / scripts/boot/9990-main.sh scripts/boot/9990-mount-http.sh: Moving overwriting of /bin/mount with /bin/mount.util-linux for httpfs to make it active (Closes: #707116). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=69a2504
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2013-05-08 06:44:21 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:debian * 5fdb3a6 / manpages/de/live-boot.de.7 manpages/en/live-boot.7 manpages/es/live-boot.es.7 manpages/po/de/live-boot.7.po manpages/po/es/live-boot.7.po manpages/pot/live-boot.7.pot: Updating manpage wrt/ quickreboot (Closes: #706686). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fdb3a6
2013-05-08 06:44:22 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:debian * 69a2504 / scripts/boot/9990-main.sh scripts/boot/9990-mount-http.sh: Moving overwriting of /bin/mount with /bin/mount.util-linux for httpfs to make it active (Closes: #707116). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=69a2504
2013-05-08 06:44:22 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:debian * 957eb95 / scripts/boot/9990-mount-http.sh: Further guarding overwriting of /bin/mount by making it dependent on the existence of /bin/mount.util-linux. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=957eb95
2013-05-08 06:44:23 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:debian * a8d937b / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a12-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8d937b
2013-05-08 06:44:23 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:debian-next * a8d937b / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a12-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8d937b
2013-05-08 06:44:24 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:pristine-tar * 5ff98a0 / live-boot_4.0~a12.orig.tar.xz.delta live-boot_4.0~a12.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a12. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ff98a0
2013-05-08 06:44:24 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:upstream * fdb0d22 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a12. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=fdb0d22
2013-05-08 06:44:25 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:4.0_a12-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a12-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-08 06:44:25 < irker291> git: mail live-boot:4.0_a12 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a12-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
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2013-05-08 07:02:59 < BTS> live-boot 4.0~a12-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> (Closes: #706686, #707116) https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-boot
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2013-05-08 07:33:05 < BTS> live-config 4.0~a21-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-config
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2013-05-08 07:45:22 < prpl> hello, i'd like to ask if Debian live 7.0 wheezy has i486 kernel preinstalled for non PAE CPUs
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2013-05-08 07:50:37 < dba> 486 is the default flavour on i386.
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2013-05-08 07:59:29 < prpl> thanks dba, from what i've seen it has both i686/i486 and that's handy (if banias cpus are around)
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2013-05-08 08:40:33 < pabs> SynrG: whats the status of wheezy live images?
2013-05-08 08:42:29 < SynrG> pabs: check with Sledge. they've been transferring since 2 days ago. last i checked they were not yet done.
2013-05-08 08:43:44 < pabs> Sledge: ^
2013-05-08 08:44:55 < Sledge>         2745 100%    8.48kB/s    0:00:00 (xfer#162, to-check=22/193)
2013-05-08 08:44:59 < Sledge> *still* transferring now
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2013-05-08 08:48:40 < SynrG> :/
2013-05-08 08:49:00 < pabs> thats not a particularly good upload speed :(
2013-05-08 08:49:36 < SynrG> it hasn't been that all the time
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2013-05-08 08:50:19 < SynrG> I understand it was ~350KB/s before
2013-05-08 08:51:12 < dba> like i said..
2013-05-08 08:51:27 < dba> 13:04:48 < dba> you'd probably better download them by http and rsync over it afterwards if rsync traffic is slowed down between the two hosts.
2013-05-08 08:53:55 < SynrG> mhm. from canada i get ~550K/sec (about the max for my network) over http
2013-05-08 08:54:17 < SynrG> i don't understand why rsync would be that much poorer, though
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2013-05-08 09:20:40 < gillphillbert> i was trying to use includes.chroot/etc/live/conf/my.conf to disable user-setup - this is live-boot's scripts, isn't it? it didn't work...
2013-05-08 09:21:31 < gillphillbert> dba ^^^  (sorry, i was sleeping!)
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2013-05-08 09:22:59 < dba> there's no such thing as /etc/live/conf
2013-05-08 09:23:22 < dba> there/s /etc/live/{boot,build,config}/
2013-05-08 09:23:52 < dba> and user-setup is used by live-config, not live-boot.
2013-05-08 09:24:21 < dba> (and yes, that is in the manpage.. see FILES section)
2013-05-08 09:26:32 < gillphillbert> sorry, i was just reading the man page
2013-05-08 09:26:42 < SynrG> dba: speaking of which, shouldn't there be FILES for live-debconfig.1 with /etc/live/debconfig.conf and /etc/live/debconfig/ ?
2013-05-08 09:26:44 < gillphillbert> very interesting, there are lots of settings here
2013-05-08 09:27:28 < gillphillbert> my files were in etc/love/config/my.conf
2013-05-08 09:27:43 < gillphillbert> (s/love/live)
2013-05-08 09:28:22 < SynrG> cut-and-paste is a wonderful thing :)
2013-05-08 09:28:46 < gillphillbert> 0
2013-05-08 09:29:41 < dba> SynrG: yes and no; no, because live-debconfig uses debconf, so there's no 'configuration files' but 'preseed files', and they would be needed to be applied at (manual) execution time of live-debconfig
2013-05-08 09:30:04 < dba> SynrG: yes, there should be a place to put preseed files so that live-debconfig takes them up automatically upon execution
2013-05-08 09:30:32 < gillphillbert> i don't know why i couldn't get the conf files to work. in the end, i had one that loaded *every* module except user-setup, but even that didn't work
2013-05-08 09:30:49 < SynrG> dba: i found a reference to that is all. so i guess that should be removed?
2013-05-08 09:30:59 < gillphillbert> (s/module/script) <-- it's early for me :-)
2013-05-08 09:31:17 < SynrG> bin/live-debconfig
2013-05-08 09:31:17 < SynrG> 131:    for _FILE in /etc/live/debconfig.conf /etc/live/debconfig/*
2013-05-08 09:31:20 < dba> SynrG: ...and in fact, the current code does read in /etc/live/debconfig{.conf,/*}
2013-05-08 09:31:47 < SynrG> so that stays, and the man page does need a FILES section? :)
2013-05-08 09:32:10 < dba> SynrG: no, that's fine.. i forgot that there's a usecase where you want to set the internal variables (just like with live-config), unrelated to the preseed files.
2013-05-08 09:32:16  * SynrG nods
2013-05-08 09:32:36 < dba> live-debconfig needs a /etc/live/debconfig-preseed or something, to drop preseed files (like with live-config in /lib/live/config-preseed)
2013-05-08 09:32:47 < dba> (yes, those paths need to be made consistent in 4.x at some point)
2013-05-08 09:32:49 < SynrG> ah, right
2013-05-08 09:32:52 < SynrG> yeah
2013-05-08 09:33:11 < dba> and finally, yes, live-debconfig manpage needs FILES addition, will do in a minute..
2013-05-08 09:33:17 < SynrG> tnx
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2013-05-08 09:35:30 < SynrG> gillphillbert: can you confirm, then, that the live image does have /etc/live/config/my.conf in it?
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2013-05-08 09:35:44 < gillphillbert> yes, it does
2013-05-08 09:36:27 < SynrG> gillphillbert: and you read earlier that dba said 4.x doesn't use user-setup?
2013-05-08 09:36:56 < SynrG> are you using 4.x?
2013-05-08 09:37:28 < gillphillbert> no, i'm back on 3 - the live-config build for 4.0 didn't work :-(
2013-05-08 09:37:35 < SynrG> k
2013-05-08 09:37:41 < gillphillbert> it caused problems on boot and the machine froze
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2013-05-08 09:38:38 < SynrG> so, why is it that it is so important to use a config file not --bootappend-live which is the easy way?
2013-05-08 09:39:03 < SynrG> i didn't follow the whole thread (specifically i didn't look into the problem daniel found and fixed with git handling config files)
2013-05-08 09:39:54 < gillphillbert> haha, good question! this is because i'm building a small appliance and i don't want users to be able to login (there's a web management section)
2013-05-08 09:40:12 < gillphillbert> if options are specified on the boot params, they can see and disable them
2013-05-08 09:40:49 < irker291> git: mail live-debconfig:debian-next * 04a8085 / : Adding files section to live-debconfig manpage. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=04a8085
2013-05-08 09:40:54 < SynrG> so don't allow them to specify additional boot params of their own
2013-05-08 09:41:00 < SynrG> problem solved.
2013-05-08 09:41:37 < SynrG> there are all kinds of things you can do at the boot prompt ... init=/bin/sh for example, that in a "locked down" system you probably don't want to allow.
2013-05-08 09:41:51 < SynrG> just stuffing this into a config file isn't going to solve the larger problem.
2013-05-08 09:41:52 < dba> it indeed is a bit nicer to keep the options 'hidden' in the image itself, instead of in the bootloader config
2013-05-08 09:42:28 < dba> (that is from a cosmetical point of view when doing appliances; otherwise agreed to everything SynrG said)
2013-05-08 09:43:12 < gillphillbert> yes, i know all this. conf files is nicer too, they're easier to manage from a build point of view than boot params (if they work!)
2013-05-08 09:43:50 < gillphillbert> the "cleaner" i can make the boot line the better and have all configuration done inside conf files...
2013-05-08 09:44:02 < gillphillbert> plus, i like to know how things work... :-)
2013-05-08 09:44:58 < dba> not really, --bootappend-live is simpler to handle
2013-05-08 09:45:42 < SynrG> gillphillbert: after *this* long without a solution, i would say to accept using --bootappend-live for now and track 4.x for later
2013-05-08 09:46:15 < gillphillbert> hmmm. i like the conf file way, but i think you are right (although my less than elegant soltion of deleting the script does work)
2013-05-08 09:46:42 < dba> actually, it would work straight forward with 4.x, but he's doing some other (unrelated) weird things along the way that make stuff break for him.
2013-05-08 09:46:54 < SynrG> ah
2013-05-08 09:47:09 < dba> and the hook removing the file is not upgrade safe, you shouldn't do that.
2013-05-08 09:47:19 < gillphillbert> dba: the live-config of 4.x? 
2013-05-08 09:47:23 < dba> either use conffiles or boot parameters, which ever doesn't matter
2013-05-08 09:47:55 < dba> live-config >= 4.0~a21-1, yes.
2013-05-08 09:47:56 < gillphillbert> i know, and i'm very sorry if i seem to be being difficult - that's not my intention
2013-05-08 09:48:20 < dba> (remember that if you use live-config 4.x, you'll also need live-boot 4.x, as live-config and live-boot go hand-in-hand)
2013-05-08 09:48:45 < gillphillbert> ah.....
2013-05-08 09:48:55 < gillphillbert> that would explain why it didn't work!
2013-05-08 09:49:00 < gillphillbert> maybe i'll try that again...
2013-05-08 09:51:06 < SynrG> gillphillbert: probably the simplest first test is just a plain uncustomized image with all the components you plan to use, just to verify you have all that working together
2013-05-08 09:51:25 < SynrG> gillphillbert: then the simplest second test is that uncustomized with only the *one* customization to disable setting up the user
2013-05-08 09:51:34 < gillphillbert> yes, i was about to try a completely fresh build with the 4.0 components
2013-05-08 09:51:35 < SynrG> once you have those two tests confirmed, add your remaining customizations
2013-05-08 09:52:34 < gillphillbert> so from 4.0 i need live-config and live-boot to be built...?
2013-05-08 09:52:58 < SynrG> there's no reason you can't use the live-boot in the archive that i know of
2013-05-08 09:53:16 < SynrG> 06:53 <judd> Package: live-boot on i386 -- squeeze: 2.0.15-1; jessie: 3.0.1-1; sid: 3.0.1-1; wheezy: 3.0.1-1; experimental: 4.0~a11-1
2013-05-08 09:53:18 < gillphillbert> the 4.0 archive?
2013-05-08 09:53:22 < SynrG> experimental
2013-05-08 09:53:24 < dba> if you're building wheezy based image, you can just fetch the debs from experimental and use them locally
2013-05-08 09:53:49 < gillphillbert> will they include the update you put in yesterday?
2013-05-08 09:54:08 < dba> things like this can be answered by looking at the changelog
2013-05-08 09:54:52 < dba> which reminds me that i should link to the changelog from the l.d.n/devel pages
2013-05-08 09:55:43 < SynrG> hm, PTS says live-config 4.0~a21-1 was accepted today, but udd says 4.0~a20-1 is in experimental
2013-05-08 09:56:11 < SynrG> judd*
2013-05-08 09:56:26 < SynrG> (which means udd is telling it that)
2013-05-08 09:57:18 < irker291> git: mail live-systems.org:master * 17309ca / devel/live-boot/index.mdwn devel/live-build/index.mdwn devel/live-config/index.mdwn devel/live-debconfig/index.mdwn devel/live-images/index.mdwn devel/live-manual/index.mdwn devel/live-tools/index.mdwn: Adding links to changelog in devel pages. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=17309ca
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2013-05-08 09:57:52 < SynrG> my mirror only has 4.0~a20-1 still
2013-05-08 09:57:52 < gillphillbert> ah, so i need to build from git as the experimental package is ~a20
2013-05-08 09:58:10 < dba> no
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2013-05-08 09:58:23 < SynrG> check changelog as he said
2013-05-08 09:58:28 < dba> you can fetch the packages from the package archive (as linked on live.d.n/devel/$component)
2013-05-08 09:58:37 < SynrG> ah
2013-05-08 09:58:42 < SynrG> yes
2013-05-08 09:59:16 < gillphillbert> sorry, foudn it
2013-05-08 10:01:22 < SynrG> dba: someone on #debian asking for lxc help, if you have a moment
2013-05-08 10:02:18 < gillphillbert> sorry i'm asking so many questions, i'm still learning where everything is :-)
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2013-05-08 10:45:08 < gillphillbert> sda/SynrG - i'm having trouble building an image with the 4.0 binaries. should i be including live-config-systemd, live-config-sysvinit and live-config-upstart? they're giving me dependency errors
2013-05-08 10:46:18 < dba> 16:40:08 < SynrG> you only need the backend you actually use
2013-05-08 10:46:22 < dba> 16:40:22 < SynrG> so, omit systemd and upstart, as i'm pretty sure you're not using those
2013-05-08 10:47:11 < SynrG> also, 'sda' is an interesting typo of 'dba'. tab-completion is a wonderful thing, too.
2013-05-08 10:47:33 < SynrG> ;)
2013-05-08 10:49:38 < gillphillbert> haha, sorry dba - too used to /dev/sda and it just happened :-)
2013-05-08 10:50:16 < gillphillbert> dba-  ah, thanks - my log doesn't go back that far in XChat
2013-05-08 10:57:23 < SynrG> gillphillbert: saving irc logs is a wonderful thing, too ... ;)
2013-05-08 10:57:44 < SynrG> (i save *everything* from irc ... my archive goes back for years)
2013-05-08 10:58:03 < dba> SynrG is full of wonderful things it apperas :)
2013-05-08 10:58:14 < SynrG> pearls of wisdom
2013-05-08 10:58:24 < dba> don't push it ;)
2013-05-08 10:58:35 < SynrG> when i publish my book i'll give you a signed copy ;)
2013-05-08 10:59:03 < dba> ok, now you got me.. go SynrG, go!
2013-05-08 10:59:21 < SynrG> hehe
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2013-05-08 11:02:52 < gillphillbert> haha, i'll have to save my logs for longer!
2013-05-08 11:04:48 < gillphillbert> even when i've disabled systemd and upstart, i'll still get this "live-config-sysvinit : Conflicts: live-config-backend"
2013-05-08 11:04:54 < SynrG> disks tend to be large enough these days so that infinite log retention is practical
2013-05-08 11:05:12 < gillphillbert> yes, i've turned on eternal disk logging :-)
2013-05-08 11:05:36 < SynrG> what do you mean "disabled"?
2013-05-08 11:05:56 < gillphillbert> sorry, removed from packages.chroot
2013-05-08 11:06:08 < SynrG> and did an 'lb clean' and rebuild?
2013-05-08 11:07:22 < gillphillbert> i've just done an lb clean --purge and i'm trying again - i'll let you know how i get on
2013-05-08 11:07:40 < SynrG> purge wasn't necessary, but ok
2013-05-08 11:08:04 < SynrG> i hope you either have a fast mirror or use an apt caching proxy
2013-05-08 11:08:19 < gillphillbert> damn, wish i'd asked. i'm staying at my inlaws and their internet connection is rubbish
2013-05-08 11:08:27 < gillphillbert> ~192KBps
2013-05-08 11:09:14 < SynrG> definitely look into setting up a caching proxy then
2013-05-08 11:09:22 < gillphillbert> hmm, not heard of an apt cache proxy, i'll look into that...
2013-05-08 11:10:00 < SynrG> there are several in debian. i can't make a specific recommendation. i use approx and that's ok for me. there is also apt-cacher-ng ... proxies do have their downsides ...
2013-05-08 11:10:26 < SynrG> probably best if you look at what's available, weigh pros & cons, then choose whatever you think is best
2013-05-08 11:10:32 < dba> using a proxy is nice in general in such situations, however, as long as you don't use --purge, there's no need for a proxy
2013-05-08 11:10:45 < SynrG> right
2013-05-08 11:10:47 < dba> (in sid, there's now squid-deb-proxy joining the fun)
2013-05-08 11:11:23 < SynrG> but in the case of ~192KBps sounds like his system would in general benefit from the proxy (if his live builds are for the same distribution his build system uses, in particular)
2013-05-08 11:11:34 < SynrG> and moreso if you have more than one debian box on the network
2013-05-08 11:12:54 < SynrG> gillphillbert: the nice thing about squid is it is an even more general solution, and is a proven piece of technology used by many large sites.
2013-05-08 11:13:33 < SynrG> whereas all made-for-debian proxies tend to have shortcomings based on the limited vision of the author / limited user/developer community providing testing/bug-fixes.
2013-05-08 11:14:24 < SynrG> it has been on my TODO for my network to ditch approx and use squid for a while ... it's just that approx has been trouble-free for some months so i haven't bothered yet.
2013-05-08 11:14:33 < SynrG> (but eventually it *will* break, and there will be cursing)
2013-05-08 11:14:35 < gillphillbert> hmm, looks like this would be a good solution. some of my lb build commands fail on vmlinuz if i don't use --purge, so i'm downloading a *lot*
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2013-05-08 11:15:05 < SynrG> do you have custom hooks or something?
2013-05-08 11:15:21 < SynrG> unless you're doing something "bad", not being able to rebuild without a --purge should not be an issue
2013-05-08 11:15:39 < SynrG> hmm, a few too many negatives in that statement :)
2013-05-08 11:15:44 < gillphillbert> yes, but nothing that should affect vmlinuz
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2013-05-08 11:16:36 < SynrG> since i don't know your config, i can't comment. just ... normally, 'lb clean' is all you need to rebuild successfully unless you make a config change that affects the bootstrap phase.
2013-05-08 11:16:42 < SynrG> s/phase/stage/
2013-05-08 11:17:03 < SynrG> *or* you abort a build in the middle in some way that corrupts the saved states of things
2013-05-08 11:18:32 < SynrG> (i can't say what specific scenarios lead to that ... just that i fuzzily recall in the past having corrupted the build tree somehow, so take that with a grain of salt)
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2013-05-08 12:22:15 < gilphilbert> SynrG - i don't know why and it only seems to happen with wheeze builds, squeeze would rebuild fine with no issues with lb clean then lb build but wheeze i have to purge sometimes
2013-05-08 12:22:36 < dba> with the same live-build version?
2013-05-08 12:23:58 < gilphilbert> yes
2013-05-08 12:24:13 < gilphilbert> i've only used the live build from the standard wheezy repo
2013-05-08 12:24:57 < gilphilbert> (s/wheeze/wheezy)
2013-05-08 12:28:05 < dba> good.
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2013-05-08 12:54:41 < gilphilbert> cool, to use my new apt proxy do i use "lb config --apt-http-proxy <proxy>"  -- is that enough or do i need to set mirrors too?
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2013-05-08 13:02:52 < SynrG> gilphilbert: the documentation for the proxy will tell you how to use it. if it is not transparent, you change your mirrors to point at it. that is all.
2013-05-08 13:03:33 < gilphilbert> SynrG, i've done it for the actual build server and it works fine, i'm just wondering if i need to pass --apt-http-proxy to lb config or not
2013-05-08 13:04:26 < SynrG> for doc on apt's ACQUIRE::http::Proxy setting, see the apt.conf man page. that's something else.
2013-05-08 13:04:37 < gilphilbert> cool, thanks
2013-05-08 13:05:15 < SynrG> if you have not set up an *http* proxy on your network, you can ignore that
2013-05-08 13:07:56 < SynrG> you would know if you used such a thing. you'd have to enter the same info into your web browser config
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2013-05-08 13:08:37 < darkkitty> hi all! :)
2013-05-08 13:09:02 < darkkitty> Where I can download Wheezy-livecd? (7.0.0) ><
2013-05-08 13:09:46 < darkkitty> Ah, I see :)
2013-05-08 13:09:57 < darkkitty> In topic :) thank you, bye!
2013-05-08 13:10:55 < SynrG> btw, it will be available in a day (or so) from www.d.o/CD/live
2013-05-08 13:11:55 < darkkitty> thanks! :) I hope it will be available in "near" server, ftp.ua.d.o; 
2013-05-08 13:12:34 < SynrG> well, wherever cdimage.debian.org is mirrored.
2013-05-08 13:13:01 < SynrG> https://www.debian.org/CD/mirroring/rsync-mirrors
2013-05-08 13:14:42 < darkkitty> mmm >< mirrors in my counttry have not livecd yet... or I can not find >< anyway, it is not a hard problem! 
2013-05-08 13:14:48 < SynrG> darkkitty: ftp.ua.debian.org isn't on that list (nor do their IP#s match the others listed for .ua) so apparently they don't carry it
2013-05-08 13:15:05 < SynrG> so, the time until you get it will be:
2013-05-08 13:15:20 < SynrG> - however long it takes for our transfer up to cdimage.debian.org to finish (sadly, we cannot make it go faster)
2013-05-08 13:15:30 < SynrG> - plus the time to sync to your preferred country mirror
2013-05-08 13:15:39 < darkkitty> ok
2013-05-08 13:16:00 < SynrG> or you can torrent as well
2013-05-08 13:16:19 < SynrG> (torrents also will not start until after the cdimage.d.o sync is complete)
2013-05-08 13:16:33 < darkkitty> practikally, does livecd-kfreebsd support hardware , as livecd-linux?
2013-05-08 13:16:44 < darkkitty> (torrents? good idea)
2013-05-08 13:16:47 < SynrG> i don't know of a livecd-kfreebsd.
2013-05-08 13:16:50 < darkkitty> ok
2013-05-08 13:16:52 < SynrG> if there is one, it's not ours.
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2013-05-08 13:22:07 < darkkitty> what is system requirements for Wheezy-livecd? as usual for Debian, or more?
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2013-05-08 13:44:26 < SynrG> darkkitty: i have not personally measured. i wouldn't expect a huge increment in ram required, as copy-on-write means the file isn't stored into the tmpfs until it is changed.
2013-05-08 13:44:42 < SynrG> but obviously the more files you write into the cow, the more ram you need.
2013-05-08 13:44:59 < SynrG> and that largely depends on what kind of things you do with the live image
2013-05-08 13:45:37 < SynrG> i happily run live images in 1G virtual machines (all flavours of desktop)
2013-05-08 13:45:44 < SynrG> 1G of RAM, that is
2013-05-08 13:46:06 < darkkitty> ok, thank you
2013-05-08 13:46:20 < SynrG> mind you, that's for very simple "boot it up and see if the image is OK" kinds of tests. i've also used this same test environment to run the desktop installer launcher inside the live system.
2013-05-08 13:46:26 < SynrG> and never had any problem with that.
2013-05-08 13:46:38 < darkkitty> ok
2013-05-08 13:46:55 < SynrG> there's no substitute for measuring it for what you want to do with it, though :)
2013-05-08 13:47:30 < SynrG> as for the "1G" figure, that is one a arbitrarily chose, i'm not saying it couldn't run in less.
2013-05-08 13:47:40 < SynrG> s/one a/one I/
2013-05-08 13:48:08 < SynrG> if i were running a modern gnome or kde desktop on old hardware, i don't think i would want less than that, though.
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2013-05-08 14:03:31 < darkkitty> hi all! when booting, I get an error: "modprobe: module swap not found in modules.dep"    many lines, and then initramfs;
2013-05-08 14:04:30 < darkkitty> my menu.lst:     "kernel /7/debian-live-7.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop+nonfree.vmlinuz1      boot=live   config"    "initrd   /7/debian-live-7.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop+nonfree.initrd1.img"
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2013-05-08 14:04:57 < darkkitty> thanks for any hint!
2013-05-08 14:05:05 < nino> W Debian
2013-05-08 14:13:00 < gilphilbert> SynrG - i've set up an apt proxy which is working fine, but i'm having problems getting lb build to accept it. i've used --apt-http-proxy, but lb build is ignoring it...
2013-05-08 14:13:22 < SynrG> ...
2013-05-08 14:13:45 < SynrG> 10:04 < SynrG> for doc on apt's ACQUIRE::http::Proxy setting, see the apt.conf man page. that's something else.
2013-05-08 14:13:48 < SynrG> 10:05 < SynrG> if you have not set up an *http* proxy on your network, you can ignore that
2013-05-08 14:13:52 < SynrG> 10:07 < SynrG> you would know if you used such a thing. you'd have to enter the same info into your web browser config
2013-05-08 14:14:00 < SynrG> gilphilbert: where did you mistrack on this advice?
2013-05-08 14:14:10 < SynrG> an apt caching proxy is not an http proxy.
2013-05-08 14:14:21 < gilphilbert> hang on a sec...
2013-05-08 14:14:52 < SynrG> and earlier:10:02 < SynrG> gilphilbert: the documentation for the proxy will tell you how to use it. if it is not transparent, you 
2013-05-08 14:14:55 < SynrG>                change your mirrors to point at it. that is all.
2013-05-08 14:14:56 < gilphilbert> i don't have an http proxy, and i'm not try to use one. does that mean i shouldn't be using the --apt-http-proxy
2013-05-08 14:14:57 < gilphilbert> ?
2013-05-08 14:15:13 < nino> ciaoooooooooooooo
2013-05-08 14:15:14 < SynrG> i thought that was self-evident :(
2013-05-08 14:15:17 < nino> mi sentite?
2013-05-08 14:15:22 < SynrG> using phrases like "that is all."
2013-05-08 14:15:25 < gilphilbert> 'fraid not 
2013-05-08 14:15:26 < SynrG> and "you can ignore that"
2013-05-08 14:15:35 < SynrG> i thought i was being explicit there.
2013-05-08 14:15:45 < gilphilbert> sorry, i didn't pick on up that
2013-05-08 14:15:55 < darkkitty> nino ciao
2013-05-08 14:16:20 < nino> ciao...sono nuovo della chat debian.....la sto provando un p?
2013-05-08 14:16:27 < SynrG> nino: first of all, the language of this channel is english only. second, it is for support of debian-live only. do you have a debian-live question?
2013-05-08 14:16:34 < darkkitty> nino : io voglo ti felicita (that's all words I know in italian)
2013-05-08 14:16:49 < nino> grazie  (thanks)
2013-05-08 14:16:57 < SynrG> maybe you want #debian-it instead?
2013-05-08 14:17:15 < darkkitty> nino, can you use english?
2013-05-08 14:17:29 < nino> no, parlo solo italaino
2013-05-08 14:17:38 < nino> no, parlo solo italiano
2013-05-08 14:17:41 < dba> nino: /join #debian-it
2013-05-08 14:18:13 < dba> ecce nessuno parliamo italiano (or something like that :)
2013-05-08 14:18:19 < nino> ok
2013-05-08 14:18:25 < dirichlet> qui nessuno parla italiano
2013-05-08 14:18:44 < dba> no soi italianos
2013-05-08 14:18:47 < SynrG> dirichlet: thanks :)
2013-05-08 14:21:01 < nino> ciao a tutti
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2013-05-08 14:27:47 < darkkitty> does parametres "boot=live  config" (for kernel, in bootmanager) enough for booting?
2013-05-08 14:31:09 < dba> just to be precise, the minimal cmdline is path to the kernel image, path to the initrd, plus 'boot=live config'.
2013-05-08 14:32:14 < darkkitty> how I can set path to .squashfs?
2013-05-08 14:32:43 < dba> you don't need to, live-boot will find it automatically if it is in /live on the live medium.
2013-05-08 14:34:01 < darkkitty> aha! probably, I need to change folder name to /live;
2013-05-08 14:36:15 < dba> either that, or, if you insist on using a different directory name (which is nice for comsetical reasons for some people),
2013-05-08 14:36:38 < dba> you can use a boot parameter to specify the directory name, see man live-boot.
2013-05-08 14:38:25 < darkkitty> http://www.clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live/boot-parameters/live-boot-contents.php   is this a "man live-boot"?
2013-05-08 14:38:43 < dba> no
2013-05-08 14:38:48 < dba> live.debian.net/manpages
2013-05-08 14:38:53 < dba> and then select the version you're using
2013-05-08 14:38:59 < darkkitty> thx
2013-05-08 14:40:29 < darkkitty> the same :)
2013-05-08 14:40:54 < darkkitty> brb, I try to reboot....
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2013-05-08 15:58:13 < gilphilbert> hi guys, me again (try not to sigh). i've finally built a wheezy image with live-config, live-boot and live-debconfig from the archives but (and this may come as no surprise) it doesn't work.
2013-05-08 15:58:58 < gilphilbert> when the machine boots, it gets stuck at live-debconfig offering me which scripts to run, but the machine freezes completely 
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2013-05-08 16:06:07 < dba> gilphilbert: bug in live-debconfig, let me see..
2013-05-08 16:06:42 < gilphilbert> phew! at last a problem that's not my fault! :-)
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2013-05-08 16:08:36 < dba> live-config calls 'live-debconfig --debconfig=passwd' to 'only' launch the passwd script (that takes care of adding users and such)
2013-05-08 16:08:58 < dba> problem is that earlier, live-debconfig was automatically 'non-interactive' when it's being called with --debconfig=$foo
2013-05-08 16:09:17 < dba> but later, it turned out that it's better to mark $foo as selected script, and remain interactive,
2013-05-08 16:09:36 < dba> since non-interactiveness should be controlled over DEBCONF_FRONTEND/DEBCONF_PRIORITY environment variables.
2013-05-08 16:10:01 < dba> so.. there are two bugs here, one is live-debconfig should respekt those two variables when asking the multiselect for scripts to run,
2013-05-08 16:10:26 < dba> and live-config should call live-debconfig with those variables exported to noninteractive/critical to suppress any interactive stuff.
2013-05-08 16:11:00 < dba> unfortunately, i've to leave and can't fix that now, so i'll do it on friday when i'm back from quick holiday-vac.
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2013-05-08 16:11:48 < gilphilbert> no problem. i'll carry on with 3.x for now and work on 4.x when you've got some time. have a nice holiday :-)
2013-05-08 16:12:26 < dba> sounds reasonable, yes.
2013-05-08 16:12:27 < dba> thanks :)
2013-05-08 16:14:40 < gilphilbert> you'll need it after all the time you've spent answering my questions. thank you for putting up with me!
2013-05-08 16:27:46 < SynrG> thanks for being persistent :)
2013-05-08 16:28:15 < SynrG> i'd have given up sooner and went with a workaround. nice to have help shaking out the bugs
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2013-05-08 16:39:20 < gilphilbert> SynrG, most people find my persistence annoying, so that's nice to hear :-)
2013-05-08 16:39:52 < gilphilbert> oh, and thanks for the advice on the caching apt proxy, that's made a *huge* difference :-)
2013-05-08 16:39:59 < SynrG> i admit for parts of it my eyes did glaze over a bit
2013-05-08 16:40:26 < SynrG> great!
2013-05-08 16:40:28 < gilphilbert> haha, i'm not surprised, most of this is very new to me and i keep missing bits, but i'm getting there :-)
2013-05-08 16:40:33 < SynrG> sure
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2013-05-08 16:49:33 < gilphilbert> dba suggested i look at live-boot, which can be configured with files in includes.chroot/etc/live/boot/myfile.conf - but when i try this my build fails
2013-05-08 16:49:53 < gilphilbert> live-boot:/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/live: 1: /etc/live/boot/quickreboot: quickreboot: not found
2013-05-08 16:50:15 < gilphilbert> i got the quickreboot command from the manpages...
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2013-05-08 16:58:30 < dba> gilphilbert: what's the content of your /etc/live/boot/quickreboot
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2013-05-08 17:02:31 < gilphilbert> dba: the file is "/etc/live/boot/quickreboot" and the content is simply the word "quickreboot"  --> that was what i gathered from the man pages, but maybe i've read them wrong...
2013-05-08 17:03:23 < gilphilbert> (i should probably explain, i'm normally pretty intelligent but i have a slipped disc at the moment and i'm on really strong painkillers that seem to make me a little more stupid than normal!
2013-05-08 17:05:48 < dba> gilphilbert: what makes you think you could put anything but variables in there?
2013-05-08 17:07:09 < gilphilbert> the man page doesn't seem to mention any variables that i could find :-(
2013-05-08 17:07:20 < gilphilbert> i was surprised, but i didn't want to ask without trying...
2013-05-08 17:08:03 < gilphilbert> how should it be formatted? if i want to add quickboot for example. is it documented anywhere?
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2013-05-08 17:34:34 < gilphilbert> I'm having a quick stab with "LB_QUICKBOOT=true"  :-)
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2013-05-08 17:56:58 < gilphilbert> Hmmm. I've tried "LIVE_NOEJECT=yes" and that didn't work either. Does anyone know if the live-boot conf file variables are documented anywhere? I can't find them
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2013-05-08 18:10:09 < frenkel> anybody know why the wheezy live cd (on an usb stick) works on all my BIOS computers and not on my Asus Zenbook (EFI)
2013-05-08 18:10:17 < frenkel> the Zenbook can boot Ubuntu and Fedora just fine
2013-05-08 18:10:31 < frenkel> CutMeOwnThroat: ok, but booting a live cd should work, right? the usb stick is not recogned in the boot menu (it's a 64bit ver live cd)
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2013-05-09 09:22:24 < mafios> hi. please which is the path for the bootloader lines?
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2013-05-09 09:58:56 < SynrG> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.0.0-live/ synced
2013-05-09 10:04:45 < SynrG> also, torrents are available at this address.
2013-05-09 10:05:09 < SynrG> mafios: i don't know what you're really asking for
2013-05-09 10:05:38 < SynrG> where is it on the live media?
2013-05-09 10:06:49 < SynrG> /isolinux/live.cfg
2013-05-09 10:07:33 < SynrG> (assuming syslinux bootloader and iso-hybrid image type, which are the defaults)
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2013-05-09 10:52:28 < mafios> SynrG: thanks
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2013-05-09 11:30:19 < darkkitty> hi all! please, tell me, where I can get livecd for _testing_ debian? or it just not exist?
2013-05-09 11:34:55 < darkkitty> http://live.debian.net/cdimage/   daily/weekly/monthly builds is empty!
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2013-05-09 12:00:07 < chals> SynrG: awesome, thanks for the info :)
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2013-05-09 13:15:22 < SynrG> for darkkitty if/when s/he returns: see channel topic regarding snapshots
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2013-05-09 13:27:45 < gilphilbert> Hi SynrG - I don't suppose you know if the live-boot variables are documented anywhere? The live-config man page lists the variable names for /etc/live/config/* but the live-boot page doesn't show the same for 
2013-05-09 13:27:50 < gilphilbert> /etc/live/boot/*
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2013-05-09 14:36:04 < SynrG> gilphilbert: they are not, but reading the scripts shows the mappings
2013-05-09 14:37:26 < gilphilbert> cool, can you point me in the direction of the scripts? they're also not on the man page (that i can see)
2013-05-09 14:37:28 < SynrG> interestingly, some options set two variables. and to do this with config files, you would have to do the work yourself in the config file
2013-05-09 14:37:50 < gilphilbert> yes, i'd noticed the same with live-config, they seem to be called shortcuts
2013-05-09 14:38:03 < gilphilbert> like noautologin - which actually sets a few variables
2013-05-09 14:38:17 < SynrG> they are in /lib/live/boot
2013-05-09 14:38:19 < gilphilbert> cool
2013-05-09 14:38:26 < gilphilbert> thanks :-)
2013-05-09 14:38:56 < SynrG> dba: case in point, 0020-read-only has:
2013-05-09 14:38:57 < SynrG>                         live-boot.read-only=*|read-only=*)
2013-05-09 14:38:57 < SynrG>                                 LIVE_READ_ONLY="true"
2013-05-09 14:38:57 < SynrG>                                 LIVE_READ_ONLY_DEVICES="${_PARAMETER#*read-only=}"
2013-05-09 14:39:30 < SynrG> if you configured this via config file, you would need to set LIVE_READ_ONLY=true *and* LIVE_READ_ONLY_DEVICES yourself
2013-05-09 14:39:46 < SynrG> i.e. wildcard is only really supported by parameter, not by config file
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2013-05-09 14:50:34 < gilphilbert> hmmm, i've found references to some of the boot params here, but not all of them. for example, noeject doesn't come up in any of these scripts...
2013-05-09 14:51:26 < gilphilbert> i do understand the above though, that's very helpful, thanks :-)
2013-05-09 14:54:13 < gilphilbert> ah, it seems there isn't a variable for noeject
2013-05-09 14:54:31 < gilphilbert> it's picked up directly from /proc/cmdline
2013-05-09 15:00:32 < gilphilbert> it seems /lib/live/boot-init.sh greps /proc/cmdline a few times for some shutdown params.
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2013-05-09 20:44:47 < user__> hi, please how can I change the mount options for sda in live?
2013-05-09 20:45:07 < user__> the /etc/fstab seems empty
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2013-05-10 11:56:21 < gilphilbert> hi all
2013-05-10 11:58:06 < gilphilbert> as usual, i have a question: is it possible to unmount the squashfs while the live system is running? for example, to remove the cd from the drive once the live system has booted
2013-05-10 11:58:34 < gilphilbert> i've tried using toram, but i still can't unmount /dev/loop0 (which points to the squashfs)
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2013-05-10 12:27:04 < SynrG> gilphilbert: did your desktop file manager latch onto it or something? user lsof or fuser to debug who has it open preventing it from being unmounted.
2013-05-10 12:27:58 < gilphilbert> SynrG: i'm not running a desktop. my build is very stripped and doesn't include lsof at the moment, i'll have to add it in
2013-05-10 12:28:10 < gilphilbert> i just wondered if there was anything obvious
2013-05-10 12:29:36 < SynrG> it's possible toram is buggy
2013-05-10 12:29:59 < SynrG> at least in 3.x
2013-05-10 12:30:14 < SynrG> i don't know. i haven't used that feature or looked at the code.
2013-05-10 12:30:38 < gilphilbert> cool, no problem - i'll investigate :-)
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2013-05-10 13:01:52 < gilphilbert> another quick one: when a live build is running without persistency, is it possible to see which files have been changed - like seeing the contents of the ramdisk overlay?
2013-05-10 13:04:52 < dba> gilphilbert: yes, see /lib/live/mount/overlay/*
2013-05-10 13:05:10 < gilphilbert> hmmm, i've had a quick look in there and it's empty...
2013-05-10 13:05:49 < dba> on a running live system, you'll see stuff there
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2013-05-10 13:07:37 < gilphilbert> dba: that's strange. for example, on my running live system i've just run "cp /etc/network/interfaces /root". the file is now in /root, but the /lib/live/mount/overlay folder is still empty... any ideas
2013-05-10 13:09:42 < capri_on> hey, i want to make my own ISO image and want to replace the default logo from the "graphical installer". the logo in the top. i tried to fix the rootskel-gtk package, but that wont work, cause my builded ISO image hasnt any rootskel-gtk package at pool/main. anyone could give me a hint what to do?
2013-05-10 13:14:12 < dba> rootkskel is included in the d-i initrd, it doesn't come from the pool,
2013-05-10 13:14:33 < dba> if you want to go the proper way, you'd have to rebuild d-i against your custom rootkskel package.
2013-05-10 13:14:49 < dba> (when i said rootskel, that applies to both rootskel and rootskel-gtk of course)
2013-05-10 13:15:25 < capri_on> dba: thanks :-)
2013-05-10 13:15:51 < dba> the naive way is to use a d-i initrd include in your config tree to overwrite the logo (without rebuilding rootskel and d-i).
2013-05-10 13:16:40 < dba> that would be config/includes.debian-installer/usr/share/graphics/logo_debian.png
2013-05-10 13:37:09 < gilphilbert> sorry to ask again dba, but do you have any idea about my missing overlay files? i tried everything i can think of, i still can't find them.
2013-05-10 13:49:00 < gilphilbert> i've just looked in mount and (this could be normal, but) /lib/live/mount/overlay seems to be listed in mount twice. could that be the cause?
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2013-05-10 14:05:00 < dba> gilphilbert: the double-mount looks like a regression, i remember that we had that at some point already
2013-05-10 14:05:22 < dba> if you unmount it once, you'll see the underlaying overlay mount (aufs' cow), which is what you want.
2013-05-10 14:05:32 < gilphilbert> ahhh, awesome - thanks :-)
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2013-05-10 16:17:46 < unixabg> fyi: builds are backed up by about 5 days on l-b-c.d.n and 265 pending. I have increased retention time but I am confident that some builds
2013-05-10 16:18:07 < unixabg> will hit the race on the current running instance of l-b-c .
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2013-05-11 04:57:12 < unixabg> _Public_ _Announcement_ In an effort to improve build times I have implemented multiple build instances on l-b-cgi.d.n .
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2013-05-11 12:30:31 < slooth> Hello, I'm on Wheezy. lb build doesn't build binary.img. Ideas?
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2013-05-11 12:34:32 < dba> it does; did you check for error messages?
2013-05-11 12:35:08 < slooth> No errors. It doesn't.
2013-05-11 12:35:19 < slooth> There's no iso anywhere in the path I am.
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2013-05-11 12:41:55 < dba> either there's an image, or there's an error message.
2013-05-11 12:42:36 < dba> and unless you provide more information about what you want to do, what you tried to acchieve,
2013-05-11 12:42:41 < dba> nobody will be able to help you.
2013-05-11 12:42:41 < slooth> dba, there was neither. However, I tried lb build --verbose. And... THAT did build binary/live/blabla.ext4
2013-05-11 12:43:02 < slooth> dba, the --verbose made it build. Otherwise, it didn't build. I'll re-test this and check whether its true :)
2013-05-11 12:43:20 < slooth> It makes no sense, yeah, I'm struggling for the last 30 minutes or so
2013-05-11 12:43:21 < dba> --verbose has nothing to do with stuff being built or not.
2013-05-11 12:43:24 < dba> like i said:
2013-05-11 12:43:28 < dba> 12:42:36 < dba> and unless you provide more information about what you want to do, what you tried to acchieve,
2013-05-11 12:43:28 < dba> 12:42:41 < dba> nobody will be able to help you.
2013-05-11 12:43:54 < dba> otherwise it's just non-usefull random rambling about random things, not getting anyone any further.
2013-05-11 12:44:03 < slooth> dba: I didn't realize its not clear. I'm trying to build my own Debian live, so I can later put it on an USB and use it as a live CD
2013-05-11 12:44:27 < slooth> dba: I am using Debian Wheezy, I've configured (after using lb config) what needs to be changed, and it just didn't build. Until now
2013-05-11 12:45:14 < dba> that's not precise enough.
2013-05-11 12:45:25 < dba> *what* exactly did you?
2013-05-11 12:45:56 < slooth> dba, what more info do you require? Anyway, it is building right now. I issued lb build for couple of times, and once with --verbose and thats it when it started buildling (I didn't change configurations in the meantime). Looks like its OK now. So weird
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2013-05-12 01:02:41 < wheresthefirmware> Hey Gals/Guys, you might want to check on those nonfree firmware isos as they actually dont have any nonfree firmware bundled within. Thanks.
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2013-05-12 06:27:30 < irker125> git: mail live-systems.org:master * 1e32f25 / devel/live-boot/index.mdwn devel/live-build/index.mdwn devel/live-config/index.mdwn devel/live-debconfig/index.mdwn devel/live-images/index.mdwn devel/live-manual/index.mdwn devel/live-tools/index.mdwn: Adding links to Ohloh statistics in devel pages. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e32f25
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2013-05-12 11:57:20 < didrod> bonjour
2013-05-12 11:57:55 < didrod> je viens vous voir j'ai un petit soucis avec noexec et nodev
2013-05-12 12:00:01 < didrod> hi, i come for an problem of create ISO from => example : tutorial, default image
2013-05-12 12:00:17 < didrod> i have an error 
2013-05-12 12:00:26 < didrod> i don't understant why
2013-05-12 12:02:03 < didrod> what are you speaking here ?
2013-05-12 12:02:07 < didrod> :p
2013-05-12 12:05:44 < chals> didrod: what live-build version, which tutorial? which error? :)
2013-05-12 12:06:48 < didrod> I followed the official guide on the debian-live site with the tutorial examples
2013-05-12 12:07:20 < didrod> i have install live-build with command #aptitude install live-build
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2013-05-12 12:07:45 < didrod> this is a latest version, no ?
2013-05-12 12:08:00 < didrod> my OS is xubuntu 13.04
2013-05-12 12:08:01 < chals> didrod: the stable version of the manual? what operating system? debian wheezy? 
2013-05-12 12:08:50 < chals> didrod: oh, xubuntu, I'm sorry, I have no idea about it, just hold on and see if anyone can help you
2013-05-12 12:08:53 < didrod> i think that it's stable version
2013-05-12 12:09:43 < didrod> it's problem of noexec nodev
2013-05-12 12:09:47 < chals> perhaps there is someone with experience with derivatives here, that would definitely not be me, sorry :(
2013-05-12 12:09:56 < didrod> but i work in my folder from /home
2013-05-12 12:10:53 < didrod> is not derivatives :p, just change interface for lxde
2013-05-12 12:20:36 < dba> didrod: please paste the two following things:
2013-05-12 12:20:43 < dba> (to a paste bin somewhere)
2013-05-12 12:20:54 < dba> 1. the output of 'apt-cache policy live-build'
2013-05-12 12:21:04 < dba> and 2. the complete build.log
2013-05-12 12:23:56 < didrod> an paste bin of debian-live ?
2013-05-12 12:26:53 < didrod> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5657856/
2013-05-12 12:27:41 < didrod> dba, it's ok
2013-05-12 12:29:05 < SynrG> 3.0~a57-1 is old and supported by us
2013-05-12 12:29:10 < SynrG> please use the version in wheezy
2013-05-12 12:29:21 < SynrG> or else see ubuntu for support.
2013-05-12 12:29:51 < didrod> ubuntu-live IRC ?
2013-05-12 12:29:58 < SynrG> i doubt it
2013-05-12 12:30:13 < SynrG> i mean, i don't know if such a channel exists ...
2013-05-12 12:30:43 < SynrG> oh, hm, apparently there is such a channel registered on freenode.
2013-05-12 12:30:53 < SynrG> i've never been there though and can't say what they do or do not support.
2013-05-12 12:31:04 < didrod> effectively, not canal 
2013-05-12 12:31:38 < didrod> it's ok, i have see on freenode
2013-05-12 12:32:04 < SynrG> anyway, we believe that 3.0.5-1 in wheezy is the best version to use.
2013-05-12 12:32:43 < SynrG> a considerable number of things in a57 were wrong (note: "a" stands for "alpha" ... it was not considered "feature complete" at that time)
2013-05-12 12:32:51 < SynrG> and are fixed in 3.0.5
2013-05-12 12:33:32 < didrod> for debian, yes, but i use ubuntu
2013-05-12 12:34:02 < didrod> i have go ubuntu-fr, thank you anyway
2013-05-12 12:34:20 < SynrG> i don't even think it's the best "for debian"
2013-05-12 12:34:40 < SynrG> it's the best, period. (now, whether it works entirely for building ubuntu images is another topic, but still ...)
2013-05-12 12:34:54 < SynrG> that's ubuntu's job to take the best version and make it work for them.
2013-05-12 12:35:25 < SynrG> this is not to say we don't support ubuntu. we do, on a best effort basis.
2013-05-12 12:35:51 < didrod> yes, i understand
2013-05-12 12:36:03 < dba> however, the build log just tells you the problem..
2013-05-12 12:36:23 < dba> your /home was mounted with nodev and or noexec,
2013-05-12 12:36:31 < dba> mount it without that, and you'll be fine.
2013-05-12 12:36:58 < didrod> my fstab is "default" 
2013-05-12 12:37:06 < dba> (what SynrG said remains though, and you shouldn't use the ubuntu version of live-build, or not ask us for support)
2013-05-12 12:37:40 < dba> 'default' is an ubuntu specific thing
2013-05-12 12:37:58 < SynrG> yup
2013-05-12 12:38:28 < didrod> dba humm... i will see mount not noexec et nodev
2013-05-12 12:38:30 < dba> ask ubuntu people on how to best change the mountoptions back to 'normal' defaults (which is required to use debootstrap and in turn to use live-build)
2013-05-12 12:39:23 < dba> (by hand, you can do 'sudo mount -o remount,exec,dev /home', but that's very suboptimal, and the ubuntu guys will now the optimal way to integrate that into your ubuntu system)
2013-05-12 12:39:31 < didrod> dba, thank, i try now
2013-05-12 12:40:32 < didrod> modify my fstab, maybe ?
2013-05-12 12:41:03 < dba> 12:38:30 < dba> ask ubuntu people on how to best change the mountoptions [...]
2013-05-12 12:41:46 < didrod> yes
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2013-05-12 12:43:18 < didrod> thank SynrG and dba 
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2013-05-13 09:10:53 < capri_wk> dba: <dba> like said, put your replacement logo into config/includes.debian-installer/usr/share/graphics/logo_debian.png and rebuild. <-- at which package do i have to replace that? i dont now where to find config/includes.debian-installer/ 
2013-05-13 09:16:11 < dba> not a package, that's the live-build config tree
2013-05-13 09:16:20 < dba> see live-manual tutorials
2013-05-13 09:45:00 < capri_wk> dba: so i have to use live-build (lb) to create images. ok, thats new. i alwayse used xorriso before
2013-05-13 09:52:09 < hramrach> hello
2013-05-13 10:13:55 < SynrG> capri_wk: have to? well, it's what we support here. if you use some other method, we don't support it. that's all.
2013-05-13 10:14:11 < SynrG> capri_wk: what are you trying to accomplish?
2013-05-13 10:16:02 < capri_wk> SynrG: i want to create my own ISO image file, with custom splash.png and debian logo at the graphical installer and also my own preseed file
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2013-05-13 10:23:52 < SynrG> capri_wk: while it is possible to do this with live-build, you also get a live system with it.
2013-05-13 10:24:15 < SynrG> i'm sure there is also some way to make a purely debian-installer image ... but that isn't supported here.
2013-05-13 10:24:31 < dba> +yet
2013-05-13 10:24:35 < SynrG> right
2013-05-13 10:24:54 < dba> (it will be supported to build installer-only images in later 4.x versions of live-build)
2013-05-13 10:28:13 < capri_wk> ok, now i got the problem. i don't want to make a live cd, so i need to fix my logo problem at the debian-installer
2013-05-13 10:28:23 < capri_wk> now some things getting clear
2013-05-13 10:39:21 < SynrG> that being said, i do think live-build is perhaps the easiest way to make a custom installer image
2013-05-13 10:39:34 < SynrG> i've tried custom d-i images before and found the process tedious
2013-05-13 10:39:58 < SynrG> unless things have changed in recent years to reduce that tedium ... but if so, i haven't heard about it
2013-05-13 10:41:49 < SynrG> capri_wk: so, before discarding the idea outright, you might try it and see if you like the results.
2013-05-13 10:42:29 < capri_wk> SynrG: ok, i would try
2013-05-13 10:50:35 < hramrach> dba: multi-kernel patches rebased http://repo.or.cz/r/debian-live-build/hramrach.git
2013-05-13 10:51:01 < hramrach> they need testing but they also need review if that approach is usable in lb
2013-05-13 10:56:02 < dba> hramrach: ack
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2013-05-13 12:21:18 < mafios> hi. please how can I change the mount options of my sd card in debian-live?
2013-05-13 12:21:34 < mafios> I boot from it but want to change "noatime" to "relatime"
2013-05-13 12:21:56 < mafios> /dev/sda1 on /lib/live/mount/medium type iso9660 (ro,noatime)
2013-05-13 12:22:39 < dba> currently, that is not possible without changing it in live-boot,
2013-05-13 12:22:43 < dba> as it's hardcoded there.
2013-05-13 12:22:57 < mafios> change it in live boot, what this means?
2013-05-13 12:23:04 < mafios> please
2013-05-13 12:23:10 < dba> what do you need relatime for anyway? noatime should be fine.
2013-05-13 12:23:21 < mafios> 3.x debian is slow here
2013-05-13 12:23:26 < mafios> 2.x was fine
2013-05-13 12:23:32 < mafios> and suspecting its this option
2013-05-13 12:23:38 < dba> that's not it.
2013-05-13 12:23:44 < mafios> and the slow read/writes
2013-05-13 12:23:47 < mafios> what can be it ?
2013-05-13 12:24:02 < dba> because noatime is faster than relatime.
2013-05-13 12:24:12 < mafios> read on some archlinux page
2013-05-13 12:24:17 < mafios> that relatime is better
2013-05-13 12:24:22 < mafios> I have read
2013-05-13 12:24:37 < mafios> don't remember why, but they were explaining it
2013-05-13 12:24:52 < mafios> wait I will try to find it
2013-05-13 12:26:05 < mafios> btw
2013-05-13 12:26:13 < mafios> can persistence be a fat parition?
2013-05-13 12:26:17 < mafios> instead of ext2?
2013-05-13 12:27:25 < mafios> paste :
2013-05-13 12:27:29 < mafios> Using the relatime option instead of noatime will ensure that the atime field will never be prior to the last modification time of a file.
2013-05-13 12:27:31 < mafios> from:
2013-05-13 12:27:38 < mafios> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives
2013-05-13 12:27:41 < SynrG> what benchmark have you used to conclude you have slow read/writes with 3.x that you did not with 2.x?
2013-05-13 12:27:54 < mafios> I benchmark it just is slow , especially web browsers
2013-05-13 12:27:56 < mafios> I=np
2013-05-13 12:27:59 < mafios> no
2013-05-13 12:28:15 < mafios> what benchmark can I take to find why its this slow?
2013-05-13 12:28:24 < SynrG> bonnie++ perhaps
2013-05-13 12:28:49 < SynrG> but you'll need an equivalent 2.x image to compare against and that will be hard
2013-05-13 12:29:00 < SynrG> i.e. change nothing but using 2.x vs. 3.x to build the *same* system
2013-05-13 12:29:10 < SynrG> because your theory is that 3.x is slower.
2013-05-13 12:30:05 < mafios> it is
2013-05-13 12:30:07 < SynrG> as for that doc it is saying that relatime is better because in certain corner cases where atime is important to applications, relatime ensures it is correct whereas noatime does not.
2013-05-13 12:30:08 < mafios> in my pc
2013-05-13 12:30:20 < mafios> yes
2013-05-13 12:30:24 < SynrG> for the most part, you don't need to care about this. noatime is faster and the lack of correctness does not matter.
2013-05-13 12:30:37 < mafios> I see
2013-05-13 12:30:53 < mafios> its tyhe browsers mostly 
2013-05-13 12:30:54 < mafios> slow
2013-05-13 12:30:57 < mafios> the\
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2013-05-13 12:31:08 < mafios> iceweasel and midori
2013-05-13 12:31:10 < mafios> very very slow
2013-05-13 12:31:13 < SynrG> but what did you change? 2.x -> 3.x or also squeeze -> wheezy?
2013-05-13 12:31:22 < mafios> I didn't upgraded
2013-05-13 12:31:39 < mafios> having the 6.0.7 live on one sd
2013-05-13 12:31:55 < mafios> and 7.0 of 5-march on the other which I am using at the moment typing this
2013-05-13 12:32:05 < mafios> 5th of may sorry
2013-05-13 12:32:25 < SynrG> some web browser database performance (sqlite i think?) is known to be very poor on cheap SSD
2013-05-13 12:32:41 < mafios> yes but firrefox was ok on 6.0.7
2013-05-13 12:32:44 < SynrG> sqlite + SSD + frequent flushes by browser + ext filesystem or so
2013-05-13 12:32:47 < mafios> now iceweasel here no
2013-05-13 12:32:50 < SynrG> that's how i recall it in any case.
2013-05-13 12:33:01 < mafios> what can I do to improve it? any mount?
2013-05-13 12:33:06 < mafios> to mount somethings on ram?
2013-05-13 12:33:16 < SynrG> so you've changed versions of the browser?
2013-05-13 12:33:18 < dba> mafios: regarding noatime vs relatime, i suggest you re-read carefully.
2013-05-13 12:33:20 < mafios> no
2013-05-13 12:33:31 < mafios> 7.0 comes with iceweasel
2013-05-13 12:33:40 < dba> mafios: noatime *is* faster/better.
2013-05-13 12:33:46 < mafios> and I installed midori as a second web browser
2013-05-13 12:34:06 < SynrG> um. you said firefox was ok on 6.0.7 ... and now you talk about 7.0 comes with iceweasel ...
2013-05-13 12:34:12 < SynrG> so you *have* changed versions of the browser?
2013-05-13 12:34:19 < mafios> I have one system on 1 sd
2013-05-13 12:34:24 < mafios> and other system on other sd
2013-05-13 12:34:32 < SynrG> and yet you're claiming live-build 2.x produced images that are faster than 3.x
2013-05-13 12:34:34 < mafios> 6.0.7 on an sd piece
2013-05-13 12:34:39 < mafios> and 7.0 on an other sd piece
2013-05-13 12:34:43 < mafios> yes
2013-05-13 12:34:46 < mafios> on my pc
2013-05-13 12:34:50 < SynrG> to make such claims you must change *only one thing at a time*
2013-05-13 12:34:50 < SynrG> otherwise your observations are invalid
2013-05-13 12:34:55 < dba> squeeze is faster on low end systems due to less ram usage etc., but that's not a live specific issue.
2013-05-13 12:35:08 < mafios> I just inrert and de-insert sd cards
2013-05-13 12:35:12 < mafios> insert
2013-05-13 12:35:19 < mafios> hmm
2013-05-13 12:35:20 < SynrG> this is basic scientific method, mafios
2013-05-13 12:35:25 < SynrG> read up on it :)
2013-05-13 12:35:30 < mafios> ram
2013-05-13 12:35:35 < dba> most of the time, using older software (= feature-less software, which in turns runs faster) will result in 'faster' user experience on the cost of features.
2013-05-13 12:35:43 < SynrG> make your theory. make a controlled experiment to test it.
2013-05-13 12:35:52 < SynrG> do your test. then interpret the results.
2013-05-13 12:35:59 < mafios> oh lol
2013-05-13 12:36:03 < SynrG> you seem to have failed at the "controlled experiment" part
2013-05-13 12:36:06 < mafios> uses 727 MB? ram?
2013-05-13 12:36:08 < mafios> used
2013-05-13 12:36:09 < mafios> its true
2013-05-13 12:36:12 < mafios> I am lacking of ram
2013-05-13 12:36:17 < dba> but as SynrG said, the actuall hardware access will be faster with newer software.
2013-05-13 12:36:22 < mafios> only 150MB free lol
2013-05-13 12:36:24 < mafios> thats it!!!
2013-05-13 12:36:38 < mafios> I found it no worries
2013-05-13 12:36:41 < dba> i don't think so
2013-05-13 12:36:43 < mafios> its lack of ram 
2013-05-13 12:36:53 < SynrG> again, you have a theory.
2013-05-13 12:37:01 < SynrG> make a controlled experiment, changing *one thing*
2013-05-13 12:37:08 < mafios> change what?
2013-05-13 12:37:10 < SynrG> make accurate measurements
2013-05-13 12:37:17 < SynrG> your theory is about ram. change that.
2013-05-13 12:37:21 < mafios> ok yrah
2013-05-13 12:37:23 < mafios> yeah
2013-05-13 12:37:28 < mafios> :)
2013-05-13 12:37:30 < SynrG> otherwise all you have is an unsubstantiated theory
2013-05-13 12:37:33 < mafios> yeah
2013-05-13 12:37:41 < mafios> but 1gb just to boot
2013-05-13 12:37:42 < mafios> its normal?
2013-05-13 12:37:52 < mafios> used 727MB
2013-05-13 12:38:08 < SynrG> also learn how to read 'free'. how much is in caches/buffer?
2013-05-13 12:38:36 < SynrG> the linux kernel is very aggressive about use of ram. but it will readily free up any that is allocated to caches/buffers as needed
2013-05-13 12:38:36 < mafios> user@debian:~$ free -m
2013-05-13 12:38:37 < mafios>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
2013-05-13 12:38:37 < mafios> Mem:           873        620        253          0         39        278
2013-05-13 12:38:41 < SynrG> at very little cost to the OS
2013-05-13 12:39:06 < mafios> one thing I can change to improve this?
2013-05-13 12:39:12 < mafios> 7.0 live?
2013-05-13 12:39:22 < SynrG> so you have 39+278=317M in buffers/cache which is a huge amount free
2013-05-13 12:39:29 < SynrG> that's over on *top* of the 253 you have free
2013-05-13 12:39:45 < mafios> I am using "preload" package
2013-05-13 12:39:50 < SynrG> so you have 570M available for the OS to use at any time, cheaply
2013-05-13 12:39:55 < mafios> installed it yesterday see whats about it
2013-05-13 12:40:31 < SynrG> right. preload primes RAM with stuff you'll need later to reduce application startup time
2013-05-13 12:40:43 < SynrG> giving overall faster responsiveness when you need those things
2013-05-13 12:40:51 < SynrG> that's the theory anyway
2013-05-13 12:41:05 < mafios> maybe its sqlite 
2013-05-13 12:41:07 < mafios> an 
2013-05-13 12:41:08 < mafios> thing
2013-05-13 12:41:13 < SynrG> in any case ... you have a metric buttload of free memory there so that's not your problem.
2013-05-13 12:41:15 < mafios> maybe its an sqlite issue 
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2013-05-13 12:41:36 < mafios> and it didn't existed with 6.x
2013-05-13 12:41:43 < SynrG> that can be solved by not keeping a history
2013-05-13 12:41:49 < mafios> hmmm
2013-05-13 12:42:00 < SynrG> turn off your browser history and see if it performs better. again, measure before and after
2013-05-13 12:42:27 < SynrG> and make sure you're testing the same thing each time (same pages, etc.)
2013-05-13 12:43:02 < SynrG> strive to make the conditions exactly the same for each test (e.g. start from a fresh boot, etc. to ensure caching artefacts don't spoil your tests)
2013-05-13 12:52:42 < mafios> thanks SynrG  and dba 
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2013-05-13 15:37:48 < zumbi> hi guys! which is best way to preseed initramfs with modules=list option? should I run a hook to replace /e/i/initramfs.conf ?
2013-05-13 15:38:42 < zumbi> maybe drop and override under /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d 
2013-05-13 15:38:51 < zumbi> s,and,an
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2013-05-13 16:40:00 < SynrG> zumbi: my personal bias would be to initramfs.conf as someone looking at that file would be inclined to think you still had it set to 'most'
2013-05-13 16:40:09 < SynrG> if you did it the other way, i mean
2013-05-13 16:40:46 < SynrG> there are a sufficiently small # of things in there that i don't think worrying about conflicting needs of different packages is a concern.
2013-05-13 16:41:05 < SynrG> split configs mostly benefit allowing different packages to each implement their own config fragments
2013-05-13 16:42:12 < SynrG> and that's not the case here, where you can implement customizations however you want, since you're not constrained by policy to "never touch a config file you don't own"
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2013-05-14 00:04:39 < grim> anyone know what happened recently with plymouth conflicting on console-tools?  It looks like live-config depends on console-tools which then removes plymouth since it conflicts on console-tools.  Either way i'd like to get my splash screen back so any suggestions?
2013-05-14 00:07:31 < grim> i was on live-build 3.0.1-1 just upgrade to 3.0.5-1 and building now
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2013-05-14 00:26:42 < Sledge> hmmm
2013-05-14 00:27:05 < Sledge> are the various *.contents files for the release images meant to be identical?
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2013-05-14 00:56:12 < grim> ah ok, so live-config recommends console-tools, but console-tools is to be removed per 671342, i recently allowed recommends again which is where my problem stems from
2013-05-14 01:09:11 < unixabg> _Public Announcement_ on live-build-cgi I have moved builds to another drive  on the system and it is able to build more builds per
2013-05-14 01:10:37 < unixabg> day. At some point in the near future I will be upgraindg to address the bottleneck io issue. During the transition to the other 
2013-05-14 01:12:02 < unixabg> drive for builds no build requests were lost. However due to a permission setting if you submitted a build after
2013-05-14 01:13:40 < unixabg> 20130511.202620 up to 20130513.185206 you will need to resubmit since your build request was not written to the queueing area.
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2013-05-14 14:44:22 < xaocon> i was looking to port live-build to another system. before i get started is there any advice or pitfalls i should know/expect?
2013-05-14 14:44:32 < xaocon> arch linux to be exact
2013-05-14 14:47:14 < Kryczek> what do you mean
2013-05-14 14:47:23 < Kryczek> port it in a way that it makes a live arch linux?
2013-05-14 14:47:31 < Kryczek> or just make live-build work on arch linux?
2013-05-14 14:48:04 < xaocon> just make live-build work on arch. just a repackage really.
2013-05-14 14:48:32 < xaocon> i'd want to build debian or debian-like
2013-05-14 14:48:33 < Kryczek> well I use it on ubuntu and there are packages for it in the official ubuntu repository
2013-05-14 14:48:44 < Kryczek> but those packages are always out of date
2013-05-14 14:49:02 < Kryczek> so the recommended way (as far as I understand) is to just use the Git repositories
2013-05-14 14:49:20 < Kryczek> doesn't that work on Arch Linux?
2013-05-14 14:49:59 < Stummi> at least you also need the debian specific package debootstrap
2013-05-14 14:50:28 < Kryczek> ooh, right
2013-05-14 14:50:42 < Kryczek> I thought it was wget'ing the base
2013-05-14 14:51:10 < Stummi> but thats just a sh or bash script which relies on wget and gnu coreutils iirc
2013-05-14 14:51:18 < xaocon> ok.. we have that already
2013-05-14 14:52:01 < xaocon> well i'll just take a crack at it then
2013-05-14 14:52:03 < xaocon> thanks
2013-05-14 14:52:07 < Kryczek> good luck :)
2013-05-14 14:52:20 < Stummi> xaocon, tell us about your results!
2013-05-14 14:52:31 < xaocon> sounds good
2013-05-14 14:56:41 < xaocon> how is live-helper related?
2013-05-14 14:57:08 < xaocon> is it a predecessor?
2013-05-14 14:59:31 < Kryczek> yes
2013-05-14 14:59:42 < Kryczek> it used to be make-live then live-helper and now live-build
2013-05-14 15:02:43 < xaocon> great. thanks again.
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2013-05-14 15:30:36 < dba> xaocon: live-build will run on any linux 2.6 distribution, provided you have a posix shell (for live-build 3.x)
2013-05-14 15:31:10 < dba> for live-build 4.x (current alpha, don't use it, it's full of bugs unless you want to help fixing them), you'll also need python 3.2 or newer.
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2013-05-14 16:07:05 < xaocon> dba: thanks for the heads up
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2013-05-14 16:40:00 < xaocon> dba: is the 'debian-old-3.0' branch tracking 3.x? Just wanted to double check since it had old in the title
2013-05-14 16:40:23 < dba> xaocon: yes
2013-05-14 16:40:36 < dba> old because it's not getting any new features
2013-05-14 16:45:57 < xaocon> that's what i expected but didn't want to assume
2013-05-14 16:47:16 < dba> there's a readme on the master branch
2013-05-14 16:56:38 < hramrach>  dba I get a weird error with lb 4
2013-05-14 16:56:40 < hramrach> http://paste.debian.net/4182/
2013-05-14 16:57:14 < hramrach> lb 4.0~a18 d8b79209d4ac 
2013-05-14 16:57:34 < hramrach> is that known issue ?
2013-05-14 16:59:13 < dba> hramrach: no, and that looks like a broken build(-environment)
2013-05-14 16:59:20 < dba> can you reproduce it when rebuilding from scratch?
2013-05-14 17:06:58 < hramrach> I pretty much always build from scratch (with lb clean ; lb build )
2013-05-14 17:07:10 < hramrach> but will try again
2013-05-14 17:07:30 < hramrach> and possibly with smaller config, too
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2013-05-15 01:00:48 < haylo_> I am trying to get the option httpfs= to work. I have a local server that is not namedbased serving the image and am trying to call it with httpfs=http://192.168.1.65/filesystem.squashfs it is saying that there is nothing found on the network
2013-05-15 01:01:30 < haylo_> which is not really a surprise, cause when i drop into the initramfs shell, i can not get a dhcp lease. so i am guessing that the live-boot script had no signal to work
2013-05-15 01:02:51 < haylo_> i can imagine how to get this working by updating my initramfs with some connection scripts so that busybox has a signal to work with
2013-05-15 01:03:42 < haylo_> does busybox have access to a signal during this process? and i am therefor doing it wrong
2013-05-15 01:04:43 < haylo_> or is it possible I am correct in assuming that busybox wget is not able to get a signal, and there fore the option httpfs= is not working as of this time
2013-05-15 01:05:34 < haylo_> I know this is a fringe option
2013-05-15 01:05:52 < haylo_> but i was thinking maybe it was getting some attention, being that it is still around
2013-05-15 01:06:46 < haylo_> any insights would be great. a "you are wasting your time", is fine and understood as well
2013-05-15 01:16:52 < haylo_> btw i am not using this with live build, but live boot, so everything theoretically should be simple to figure out. If i can figure out how to get busybox to have a singal at start time of initramfs
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2013-05-15 01:45:02 < haylo_> you know , now that i think about it, it would not be to hard to wget a filesystem,squashfs onto /dev/sda . but i am not sure that debian initramfs is really intended to have connectivity
2013-05-15 01:45:22 < haylo_> i will just take this to #d , for advice on initramfs scripts maybe
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2013-05-15 06:20:24 < hramrach> haylo_ when not using live build you might be missing some options passed on the kernel commandline that enable live boot
2013-05-15 06:20:30 < hramrach> see the live-boot man page
2013-05-15 06:21:00 < hramrach> so actually your way is hard to get working - live boot does that for you
2013-05-15 06:21:38 < hramrach> also you can use fetch= instead to use wget but if networking is not there you are missing something
2013-05-15 06:25:49 < hramrach> boot=live httpfs=something is the minimum
2013-05-15 06:28:43 < hramrach> * live build
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2013-05-15 10:02:13 < hramrach> dba: lb 4 does not work without a config:
2013-05-15 10:02:15 < hramrach> http://paste.debian.net/4299/
2013-05-15 10:18:53 < dba> i know, and it will stay that way
2013-05-15 10:21:28 < SynrG> the "using defaults for all options" is misleading, then
2013-05-15 10:21:34 < SynrG> it suggests it could possibly do without it
2013-05-15 10:23:04 < dba> it will.. but really, do not use lb4 just yet
2013-05-15 10:24:04 < SynrG> no worries on my part :) still only on lb3 as i want to keep things straight for users of the new release.
2013-05-15 10:24:55 < SynrG> speaking of which, we have some lingering issues that would be nice to get solved for the point release.
2013-05-15 10:25:04 < dba> (unless you come up with actual patches to do the one or other thing, there's not much use of talking about lb4 yet anyway as there's too much broken in there atm.)
2013-05-15 10:25:05 < SynrG> the gnome screensaver for one
2013-05-15 10:25:10 < SynrG> yup
2013-05-15 10:25:16 < dba> that's l-config, yes.
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2013-05-15 11:08:39 < hramrach> as for the cannot read symbolic link errors I get them on empty config with old cache
2013-05-15 11:08:48 < hramrach> so will try without cache as well
2013-05-15 11:09:28 < hramrach> it happens after chroot-interactive but not within
2013-05-15 11:09:41 < hramrach> I added set -x in it and it exits before the errors happen
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2013-05-15 11:43:01 < hramrach> dba: it happens without cache too
2013-05-15 11:49:35 < dba> hramrach: again, no hard feelings, but at this point i simply don't care - unless you provide patches i have other things to do first.
2013-05-15 11:50:11 < dba> *do* *not* *use* *yet* lb4 unless you want to send patches
2013-05-15 11:53:38 < hramrach> I wanted to test patches in a stage that comes a bit later ;-)
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2013-05-15 12:39:42 < hramrach> dba: you probably want this http://paste.debian.net/4318/
2013-05-15 12:42:57 < haylo_> hramrach: i got live boot working. but not exactly in the intended way. i am not using a /live directory. i think ths will work if i get it right. when i go through boot.log in iinitramfs it shows that ihave gottena conection, early enough to wget the sqauashfs
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2013-05-15 12:43:32 < haylo_> i am going to spend the day trying to get it to work normally with /live directory. i didnt at first,m and now there is some element that is alluding me :P
2013-05-15 12:44:18 < hramrach> you don't need a /live directory. there is a parameter to specify squashfs location
2013-05-15 12:44:26 < haylo_> yeah, that is what i am using
2013-05-15 12:44:39 < haylo_> i just wonder if the network mount is trying to hit /live
2013-05-15 12:44:52 < haylo_> probably not. thanks hramrach 
2013-05-15 12:45:34 < haylo_> live-media-path=/ is what i usually use , when i make my own lately
2013-05-15 12:46:23 < haylo_> or live-media-path=/boot but i want to switch to using the proper /live directory. i think it is a better way/name anyway
2013-05-15 12:47:01 < hramrach> the network boot uses the exact name you give
2013-05-15 12:47:16 < hramrach> no live media path is involved unless you serve an iso off the server
2013-05-15 12:47:26 < haylo_> rigth i see. that makes sense
2013-05-15 12:48:31 < haylo_> thank you, that really helps. I like this option alot. and learn alot from looking through live builds parts
2013-05-15 12:49:06 < haylo_> live-* parts i guess i should say
2013-05-15 12:50:53 < hramrach> you can use nosplash and debug=1 arguments to see messages
2013-05-15 12:51:10 < hramrach> and serial console to capture them outside of the live system
2013-05-15 12:51:19 < hramrach> so you can see clearly what went wrong
2013-05-15 12:51:47 < hramrach> booting the live system in a virtual machine makes this stuff easy
2013-05-15 12:52:04 < dba> hramrach: ack, thanks
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2013-05-15 15:27:57 < hramrach> dba: ok, here is the multiple kernel stuff: http://repo.or.cz/w/debian-live-build/hramrach.git
2013-05-15 15:28:50 < hramrach> the need for Echo_warning redirection is kind of lame
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2013-05-15 19:13:48 < xaocon> while i was building this package for live-build i noticed that the Makefile in old-debian-3.0 is doing 'LANGUAGES = $(shell cd manpages/po && ls)' but that directory doesn't exist.
2013-05-15 19:15:24 < xaocon> i think all that need to happen is "mkdir manpages/po" then "mv manpages/en manpages/po"
2013-05-15 19:18:27 < dba> xaocon: no; in 3.x there are no complete translations
2013-05-15 19:18:43 < dba> see changelog
2013-05-15 19:20:11 < dba> (also, it's fine if LANGUAGES is empty; and see debian-next branch for how it works when there are translations.)
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2013-05-15 19:26:48 < xaocon> ahh i saw it being referenced later so i thought it was being used
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2013-05-15 22:30:40 < xaocon> is there a standard config so i can do some testing? I tried building from git://git.kali.org/live-build-config.git but that doesn't seem to be working.
2013-05-15 23:07:40 < SynrG> live-images
2013-05-15 23:08:16 < SynrG> you can find the git repo at live.debian.net
2013-05-15 23:09:26 < xaocon> thanks
2013-05-15 23:11:12 < SynrG> those are the configs used to build the release images for debian.
2013-05-15 23:11:39 < SynrG> what version of live-build are you using?
2013-05-15 23:12:00 < xaocon> just built from old-debian-3.0
2013-05-15 23:12:10 < SynrG> debian-old-3.0
2013-05-15 23:12:45 < xaocon> but it's not on debian so i'm not sure if it's the config or the install or what
2013-05-15 23:13:02 < SynrG> which is exactly 3.0.5-1
2013-05-15 23:13:29 < SynrG> what's your build host? you know certain things default to your build host
2013-05-15 23:13:46 < SynrG> mode, architecture
2013-05-15 23:14:08 < xaocon> amd64
2013-05-15 23:14:32 < SynrG> no, i mean you said "but it's not on debian"
2013-05-15 23:14:35 < SynrG> so what is it on?
2013-05-15 23:14:38 < xaocon> arch linux
2013-05-15 23:14:59 < SynrG> what version of debootstrap do you have?
2013-05-15 23:15:19 < xaocon> 1.0.49
2013-05-15 23:15:44 < SynrG> sounds good
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2013-05-15 23:18:28 < SynrG> xaocon: echo $(lsb_release -is | tr [A-Z] [a-z])
2013-05-15 23:21:12 < xaocon> arch
2013-05-15 23:21:17 < SynrG> (that's from functions/defaults.sh, and is used to determine your mode ... if it's not one of the known modes it defaults to debian)
2013-05-15 23:21:31 < SynrG> so, since that's not on the list, it should create a debian mode image
2013-05-15 23:21:36 < SynrG> by default
2013-05-15 23:22:37 < SynrG> xaocon: so are you having trouble just building a default image? mkdir default && lb config && sudo lb build
2013-05-15 23:22:42 < SynrG> er, sorry
2013-05-15 23:22:49 < SynrG> xaocon: so are you having trouble just building a default image? mkdir default && cd default && lb config && sudo lb build
2013-05-15 23:23:24 < SynrG> if so, what errors do you see?
2013-05-15 23:23:56 < SynrG> or else describe exactly what you mean by "not working"
2013-05-15 23:25:06 < xaocon> no i haven't tried the standard ones yet. just checked out the git
2013-05-15 23:25:31 < SynrG> ok. but before even 'standard' a simpler test is just the default
2013-05-15 23:25:34 < xaocon> was going to create a package for it to so that i could track the files better
2013-05-15 23:25:41 < SynrG> it will build faster than 'standard' too
2013-05-15 23:25:54 < xaocon> ahh
2013-05-15 23:26:00 < xaocon> ok i'll give that a try now
2013-05-15 23:26:09 < SynrG> since it just contains a base system and not also 'standard' priority packages
2013-05-15 23:27:01 < xaocon> i get this 'E: Error executing gpg1v to check Release signature' but i fail at 'chroot: failed to run command '/usr/bin/env': No such file or directory'
2013-05-15 23:28:39 < SynrG> that's using the recipe i gave above for testing the default?
2013-05-15 23:28:54 < xaocon> yes
2013-05-15 23:29:16 < xaocon> but it also fails with the missing env in the kali config i posted above
2013-05-15 23:30:39 < SynrG> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=2970
2013-05-15 23:31:58 < SynrG> if your debootstrap fails, all errors after that are crap. ignore them and focus on the first one.
2013-05-15 23:32:14 < xaocon> that's what i installed
2013-05-15 23:32:26 < SynrG> well, you have to see arch about fixing this
2013-05-15 23:32:37 < SynrG> we can't help
2013-05-15 23:33:00 < xaocon> sure.. i can fix a package... i just don't know what the issue with it is
2013-05-15 23:33:12 < SynrG> uh. the bug i just linked to says?
2013-05-15 23:33:45 < SynrG> sorry, i mean the *comments*
2013-05-15 23:34:00 < xaocon> ahh so sorry. i should have looked all the way down
2013-05-15 23:34:32 < SynrG> yeah. that's what i was referring to
2013-05-15 23:34:47 < SynrG> i only hit this page by searching your error message text.
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2013-05-15 23:42:38 < xaocon> looks like installing an old version of gpg fixed that issue.
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2013-05-15 23:49:28 < SynrG> xaocon: great
2013-05-15 23:49:47 < SynrG> xaocon: for posterity, what's the bad version, and what's the good one?
2013-05-15 23:50:00 < SynrG> (if someone else asks at least it's in the irclog :)
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2013-05-16 00:00:04 < xaocon> yeah so that built
2013-05-16 00:00:24 < xaocon> the package was called gnupg1
2013-05-16 00:00:58 < xaocon> i'm going to put it in as a optional dep in the package
2013-05-16 00:02:49 < SynrG> ah
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2013-05-16 18:20:10 < xaocon> when i came in and asked questions before I was asked to post my findings when done. The only real issue I ran in to with live-build itself came from not having gpg1 installed for debootstrap. The arch package is located here: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/live-build-git/
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2013-05-16 18:34:23 < dba> xaocon: great
2013-05-16 18:37:32 < xaocon> i guess what i said didn't really make sense. the problem wasn't with live-build itself.
2013-05-16 18:45:34 < dba> it made perfectly sense
2013-05-16 18:45:52 < dba> don't worry, i understood it the first time :)
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2013-05-17 16:59:21 < samgee> What path should I put in the file boot parameter for the live installer preseed? Text/GUI installer menu items have file=/cdrom/install//preseed.cfg, but that doesn't work for live.
2013-05-17 17:21:38 < mbentley> samgee: have you looked at this? >> http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual.en.html#594
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2013-05-17 17:41:44 < samgee> mbentley: yeah, bbut this is a Squeeze image, so I looked at this: http://live.debian.net/manual/2.x/html/live-manual.en.html#546. Same thing, different directory.
2013-05-17 17:42:08 < samgee> Anyway, the preseed.cfg file is in the image, I just don't know how to point the live installer to it.
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2013-05-17 17:49:22 < mbentley> samgee: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en
2013-05-17 17:49:57 < mbentley> i know it says preseed/file=/cdrom/preseed.cfg but you should be able to mount your image and locate the path to the preseed file.
2013-05-17 17:52:13 < samgee> Oh wait, I was looking in the iso, but I should be looking in the initrd.img for live.
2013-05-17 17:54:30 < samgee> Hm, that doesn't contain preseed.cfg.
2013-05-17 17:57:04 < SynrG> live images pack a separate initrd under install. you're looking at that one?
2013-05-17 17:58:25 < samgee> As in /live/image/install/preseed.cfg?
2013-05-17 17:58:35  * samgee tries
2013-05-17 18:03:08 < SynrG> no, as in "the initrd for installer is under the /install directory on the media"
2013-05-17 18:03:16 < SynrG> just wondering if you were looking at that
2013-05-17 18:08:03 < samgee> Ah. No, that seems to be the plain installer's initrd.
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2013-05-17 18:41:33 < samgee> /live/image/install/preseed.cfg didn't work. initramfs didn't complain, but live installer doesn't see my d-i mirror settings.
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2013-05-17 18:57:11 < samgee> With file=/install/preseed.cfg initramfs complains that /scripts/live-bottom/24preseed can't find /root/install/preseed.cfg.
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2013-05-17 19:45:58 < timcowchip> just installed wheezy live lxde
2013-05-17 19:46:03 < timcowchip> can't boot into it without using recovery mode
2013-05-17 19:46:08 < timcowchip> my /boot/grub/grub.cfg http://pastebin.com/M0fKuMmX
2013-05-17 19:46:19 < timcowchip> "single" instead of "quiet" is the only diif I can see
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2013-05-17 20:04:25 < timcowchip> adding "nomodeset" after "quiet" fixed it
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2013-05-18 00:26:05 < snyff> hi
2013-05-18 00:26:47 < snyff> does anyone know how i can increase the size of the root partition from the live system?
2013-05-18 00:27:06 < snyff> like it boots but i have some script that fill all the space on /
2013-05-18 00:27:17 < snyff> and it does not work :/
2013-05-18 00:34:15 < haylo> i think that the root partition / is based on your ram size. use a persistence partition, or volume, and instead build inside of /home or some other dir other than /
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2013-05-18 00:35:08 < hodgkinnys> "mv: cannot stat `chroot/bin/hostname': No such file or directory"... i'm running as root, what am i missing?
2013-05-18 00:36:09 < hodgkinnys> i used live helper a while back, perhaps things have changed but i thought the chroot path was created by the program... is this still true?
2013-05-18 00:38:22 < snyff> haylo: thanks, increasing the ram fixed it :)
2013-05-18 00:38:37 < snyff> hodgkinnys: is it in a hook?
2013-05-18 00:39:28 < snyff> hooks are run in the chroot so chroot/bin/hostname should be /bin/hostname
2013-05-18 00:43:41 < snyff> anyone, thanks guys for the awesome work and keep it up :)
2013-05-18 00:43:50 < snyff> s/anyone/anyway/
2013-05-18 00:45:27 < hodgkinnys> what's the url for debian's pastebin?
2013-05-18 00:48:12 < hodgkinnys> snyff: not sure how to answer... i don't think i'm implementing hooks
2013-05-18 00:49:54 < hodgkinnys> i have a script that invokes lb config then i mkdir config/chroot_local-includes/etc,usr,.... then copy some files over to the new paths then hit lb build
2013-05-18 00:52:12 < snyff> from my understanding you're not supposed to copy files directly in chroot
2013-05-18 00:52:19 < snyff> you can use chroot_local-includes
2013-05-18 00:52:44 < snyff>  or chroot_local-hooks/awesome_script.sh to do that
2013-05-18 00:53:31 < hodgkinnys> logs are at http://pastebin.com/ZhkaBm0Y
2013-05-18 00:53:54 < hodgkinnys> i'm using chroot_local-includes in the script
2013-05-18 01:00:42 < haylo> hodgkinnys: things have changed much since the time of live helper LH 
2013-05-18 01:01:21 < haylo> it is my recommendation to install wheezy, and follow the 3.x live-build manual
2013-05-18 01:01:56 < haylo> http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html
2013-05-18 01:27:22 < hodgkinnys> can you define 'up to date'?
2013-05-18 01:28:24 < hodgkinnys> ... version of live-build
2013-05-18 01:28:53 < hodgkinnys> as in, is the squeeze stable version out of date?
2013-05-18 01:29:30 < haylo> wheezy is the stabel release now
2013-05-18 01:32:13 < haylo> and yeah, squeeze and the corresponding live-build 2.x are both "out of date" but squeeze will still be maintained for one year as old stable
2013-05-18 01:32:55 < haylo> actually i dont know about that one year thing. anyway just use 3.x . 
2013-05-18 01:33:15 < hodgkinnys> ok, thanks
2013-05-18 01:34:36 < hodgkinnys> maybe i need to upgrade then
2013-05-18 01:34:56 < haylo> well, i am sure you could just install 3.x if you want to
2013-05-18 01:35:37 < hodgkinnys> i could but this is a new system and i'd probably wind up upgrading anyway
2013-05-18 01:36:06 < haylo> but it is time to upgrade. also dont upgrade without making a backup. though it is supported by debian, in my experience it is not the prettiest thing ever, i always just reinstall
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2013-05-19 13:33:49 < nachtgeist> hi folks! is there currently a way to boot the official wheezy live and supply it with an http hook? neither dhcp nor explicit ip=eth0:... boot parameters seem to work for me
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2013-05-19 16:55:50 < gmaus> Good morning. Anyone here? I've been struggling with getting the live-build scripts to work. It's probably something dumb that I've glossed over. When I go to build a live image, none of the packages that I've specified in the config/*.chroot files seem to make it into the built iso. What am I doing wrong?
2013-05-19 16:59:59 < graciasfidel> gmaus: hello, you've put your list of packages in config/package-lists/*.list.chroot ?
2013-05-19 17:01:54 < gmaus> Actually, there's no .list part to the file names that I have.
2013-05-19 17:02:02 < gmaus> And that would probably be the problem.
2013-05-19 17:02:21 < graciasfidel> yes i think
2013-05-19 17:02:50 < gmaus> Do I need to rerun `lb config` after altering those?
2013-05-19 17:03:02 < graciasfidel> lb clean
2013-05-19 17:03:43 < gmaus> And, since I don't want to keep hitting the debian mirrors for the same packages for each test iteration, how do I set up apt-cacher-ng for this?
2013-05-19 17:05:43 < graciasfidel> i don't know
2013-05-19 17:08:33 < gmaus> Fair enough. Thanks for the lb tip.
2013-05-19 17:08:45 < graciasfidel> I use live-build since not long
2013-05-19 17:12:28 < graciasfidel> normaly, all packages downloaded with your first build, are not re-downloaded
2013-05-19 17:12:34 < gmaus> Oh, good.
2013-05-19 17:12:53 < gmaus> I was afraid that I was hitting the servers for hundreds of megabytes each and every time I ran a build.
2013-05-19 17:13:56 < graciasfidel> the packages are in cache/
2013-05-19 17:14:22 < gmaus> And `lb clean` does NOT clear that folder out.
2013-05-19 17:14:38 < gmaus> Right?
2013-05-19 17:14:44 < graciasfidel> no, all files in 
2013-05-19 17:14:49 < gmaus> Sweet.
2013-05-19 17:14:58 < graciasfidel> cache are preserved
2013-05-19 17:15:42 < graciasfidel> the chroot is in cache/bootstrap
2013-05-19 17:16:20 < gmaus> Have you done anything where some software is installed by a shell script during the build? I have a program that I want to include that does not have a debian package yet.
2013-05-19 17:17:46 < graciasfidel> i don't know, i use only the deb packages
2013-05-19 17:18:19 < gmaus> OK. I'll have to ask around sometime later, then.
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2013-05-19 17:18:28 < gmaus> Thank you, I appreciate the help.
2013-05-19 17:18:36 < graciasfidel> :)
2013-05-19 17:21:57 < graciasfidel> gmaus: i think it's possible
2013-05-19 17:21:59 < graciasfidel> http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/customization-overview.en.html#340
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2013-05-19 17:52:33 < SynrG> yup
2013-05-19 17:52:38 < SynrG> ECHAN
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2013-05-19 18:50:13 < mbentley> gmaus: i know it is a bit late and i am sure you have your answer now but I do exactly that.  i put my install script in the config/hooks/ directory (make sure to follow the naming convention of <script>.chroot)
2013-05-19 18:51:40 < mbentley> gmaus: also, if you need to files on the chroot file system, just place them in the config/includes.chroot/ directory.  if you want to put a file in /etc/live on the live fs, you will want to put it in the config/includes.chroot/etc/live directory.  you'll need to create the directory structure as you need.
2013-05-19 18:55:06 < gmaus> mbentley: So, it would be someprogram.sh.chroot?
2013-05-19 18:55:16 < gmaus> If the file that I have is someprogram.sh?
2013-05-19 18:55:19 < mbentley> as long as it ends in .chroot
2013-05-19 18:55:51 < mbentley> gmaus: if you want to see what i have done, take a look at https://github.com/mbentley/overclockix_wheezy_i386_iso-hybrid
2013-05-19 18:56:18 < gmaus> Thanks. Starred you.
2013-05-19 18:56:29 < gmaus> I'll use that as a reference for when I get lost.
2013-05-19 18:57:23 < mbentley> i don't have anything that auto compiles or installs but you could basically install your package directly in config/includes.chroot unless you need some processing to take place (which it sounds like you may)
2013-05-19 18:57:54 < gmaus> I'm trying to get Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory included in the final build.
2013-05-19 18:58:08 < mbentley> i have a few applications that i created .deb files which makes it very simple since you just have to throw .deb files in config/packages.chroot
2013-05-19 18:58:11 < mbentley> ah
2013-05-19 18:58:16 < gmaus> Ye
2013-05-19 18:58:17 < gmaus> Yep
2013-05-19 18:58:37 < gmaus> Going for my own personal remix of the Linux Live Gamers distro.
2013-05-19 18:58:53 < mbentley> sounds like a fun project
2013-05-19 18:59:22 < gmaus> I think so. It's pushing me to learn a little bit more about how distros are built than just being a user does.
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2013-05-19 23:52:45 < mbentley> i've been trying to figure out how to properly set the default wallpaper in gnome3 for my live user.  i've just been basically using a hack of symlinking to my wallpaper i want to use.
2013-05-19 23:53:00 < mbentley> i'm just curious if anyone knows how to actually do it properly
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2013-05-20 00:27:46 < SynrG> dconf
2013-05-20 00:28:26 < SynrG> have a look in dconf editor at org.gnome.desktop.background
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2013-05-20 02:36:33 < unixabg> _Public_ _Announcement_: l-b-cgi has completed back log of build requests. The new support for multiple instances appears to have
2013-05-20 02:36:37 < unixabg> done well.
2013-05-20 02:37:25 < unixabg> I am working to schedule an upgrade with the provider on hardware which should address the remaining bottle neck issues.
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2013-05-20 09:39:11 < SynrG> unixabg: great. where is upgrading 3.0.1-1 -> 3.0.5-1 on your queue, then?
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2013-05-20 12:55:24 < mbentley> SynrG: thanks for the tip.  I actually was able to create my own file for desktop-background.xml and did it via update-alternatives.  seems to work well.
2013-05-20 13:03:19 < SynrG> great
2013-05-20 13:03:47 < mbentley> i thought that i had tried that before and it didn't work but apparently not
2013-05-20 13:04:02 < SynrG> ah. and probably better than dconf in any case due to:
2013-05-20 13:04:11 < SynrG> - use of binary blob to store configurations
2013-05-20 13:04:28 < SynrG> - needs to have stuff running on the system to run the tool to update it that wouldn't exist at build time
2013-05-20 13:04:40 < SynrG> nor at boot until later on
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2013-05-20 14:34:21 < unixabg> SynrG: I would like to do it at the same time as the hardware outage. I like to budget time in case something was missed
2013-05-20 14:34:31 < unixabg> on l-b-cgi that causes builds to not operate.
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2013-05-20 14:52:46 < darkkitty> hi all! where I can get..... Ah, I successfully find answer in topic :)
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2013-05-20 15:08:37 < SynrG> unixabg: sure. sounds good
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2013-05-22 03:27:19 < unixabg> SynrG: I worked on updating l-b-cgi tonight to use live-build 3.0.5-1. The post data did not work well in the container I am running
2013-05-22 03:28:10 < unixabg> on so I downgraded the the cgi frontend part and will work out that issue later.
2013-05-22 03:30:00 < unixabg> I had the time tonight to get upgraded and wanted to do so. Please know that the datacenter has not yet upgraded hardware to ssd for building drive.
2013-05-22 03:32:11 < unixabg> chals: since I have limited bandwidth (at best) would you be able to submit and test a build since I have upgraded l-b-bgi.debian.net ?
2013-05-22 03:32:23 < unixabg> Just to make sure it builds and boots.
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2013-05-22 04:52:35 < chals> unixabg: done, I have submitted 3 builds because I saw the queue was empty :)
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2013-05-22 06:29:55 < vincentor> Hi everyone. I met a problem when i try to use debian-live 3.0 to build a netboot image. It seems the netboot image i builded missing some boot params like 'netboot=nfs' and nfsroot=xxx, i have to add the params manually. Is there any options i should specify in the lb config command?
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2013-05-22 06:48:48 < chals> unixabg: all three images built correctly, I'll boot them when I'm back home
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2013-05-22 06:52:23 < chals> vincentor: as a workaround, add those missing options to your bootappend-live line ;) 
2013-05-22 06:52:56 < chals> I'm at work, later
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2013-05-22 06:59:18 < vincentor> chals: thanks, that will be a solution, but in live-build 2.0, these options will automatically added if we use the -b net and --net-root-server and --net-root-path options in lb config, so i just curious about why live-build 3.0 don't do that. wait for your answer later. :)
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2013-05-22 12:06:22 < chals> vincentor: hi, I would like to insist that using bootappen-live to add those missing options is, as I said, a *workaround*
2013-05-22 12:07:12 < chals> I just can't answer to your question "why those options do not work anymore"
2013-05-22 12:08:03 < chals> I just imagine that it might be an intent to avoid hardcoding certain things in the code, but again I do not know 
2013-05-22 12:08:37 < chals> I use this line, if it helps at all: lb config -b netboot --bootappend-live "boot=live config netboot=nfs nfsroot=192.168.2.22:/srv/debian-live"
2013-05-22 12:09:23 < vincentor> thanks, that works.
2013-05-22 12:10:07 < chals> vincentor: it will *not* add those values to the failsafe entries but you know the workaround is not perfect :)
2013-05-22 12:11:46 < vincentor> I was have a glanced at the source code of live-build 3.0+, i seems the options '--net-root-server' and '--net-root-path' never used except the config stage.
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2013-05-22 12:15:03 < vincentor> May be i should email the developers.
2013-05-22 12:16:31 < chals> vincentor: There are other minor issues with netboot images. I guess the developers are already aware of them, but feel free to send a message to the mailing list :)
2013-05-22 12:17:28 < chals> It is good to document issues so other people can take a look at them
2013-05-22 12:19:40 < vincentor> yes, i think so. I should check the change list first, maybe i can find out why they remove those options.
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2013-05-22 12:20:00 < chals> vincentor: good
2013-05-22 12:21:51 < unixabg> chals: many thanks.
2013-05-22 12:22:21 < chals> unixabg: I'm downloading the images right now, I'll let you know how things go
2013-05-22 12:22:37 < chals> unixabg: do you want me to link to the build url?
2013-05-22 12:23:22 < chals> http://live-build-cgi.debian.net/build/20130521.220704.036408111/ http://live-build-cgi.debian.net/build/20130521.220624.219840914/ http://live-build-cgi.debian.net/build/20130521.220534.404241055/
2013-05-22 12:27:40 < vincentor> chals: Do you know how can i install the lastest version of live-build? I have added the apt source 'live.debian.net', but the version in that repos is as same as my local installed. My os is debian 7.0 wheezy and the live-build version is 3.0.5
2013-05-22 12:29:48 < chals> vincentor: the latest stable live-build .deb is the one in wheezy if I'm not wrong, It is the same in sid
2013-05-22 12:30:23 < chals> live-build 4.0 is in experimental and it is not recommended as it is in experimental
2013-05-22 12:30:36 < mbentley> chals: that would be correct >> https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=live-build
2013-05-22 12:30:51 < mbentley> 3.0.5-1 in wheezy, jessie and sid
2013-05-22 12:31:03 < chals> vincentor: so if you have 3.0.5 you already have the latest :)
2013-05-22 12:31:22 < chals> thanks mbentley 
2013-05-22 12:31:59 < vincentor> thanks chals, i see.
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2013-05-22 18:21:12 < chals> unixabg: I can confirm that all three images work fine (wheezy/iso-hybrid ; sid/hdd and wheezy/netboot)
2013-05-22 18:21:43 < chals> sorry it took so long, the download speed was terribly slow
2013-05-22 18:23:06 < chals> I'm re-checking the netboot image because I had to change another default parameter to make it work, not sure why yet
2013-05-22 18:23:15 < chals> s/work/boot/
2013-05-22 18:24:37 < chals> oh well I see why now, it makes sense
2013-05-22 18:24:44 < unixabg> chals: thanks, I have managed to download 1 image and it also tested ok. So I am going to leave as is at l-b-cgi.d.net.
2013-05-22 18:25:44 < chals> unixabg: great, it is a great service, are there still so many requests as when wheezy was released, it was pretty impressive
2013-05-22 18:26:12 < chals> I had neve seen so many files in the queue
2013-05-22 18:26:23 < chals> s/files/images/
2013-05-22 18:28:03 < chals> just for the record, the netboot "issue" while testing this image I downloaded today was my fault when editing the append line :)
2013-05-22 18:44:23 < unixabg> chals: yes I too believe it to be a very valuable service. Thanks again for your help.
2013-05-22 18:44:58 < chals> unixabg: no problem :)
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2013-05-23 13:09:38 < AlexKidd> hi
2013-05-23 13:13:00 < AlexKidd> The live debian images downloadable from http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/7.0.0+nonfree don't contain any non-free package. This is a problem if I run a live debian on a machine who require non-free firmwares to enable KMS at boot
2013-05-23 13:18:19 < mbentley> AlexKidd: firmware is not the same as drivers.
2013-05-23 13:18:36 < mbentley> AlexKidd: what video card?
2013-05-23 13:24:21 < haylo> AlexKidd: build a system with non-free enables   mkdir my_system && cd my_system && lb config && lb build 
2013-05-23 13:24:28 < haylo> enabled*
2013-05-23 13:27:41 < haylo> mbentley: and in my experience firmware, can also be "drivers" . These are the non-free "globs" that can be attatched to the linux kernel without it havign to totally deviate from free licensing procedures
2013-05-23 13:28:14 < haylo> like the driver that you need non-free for to make your wifi card , for example.
2013-05-23 13:28:28 < haylo> wifi card work*
2013-05-23 13:28:57 < mbentley> i was thinking more of the proprietary nvidia/amd drivers
2013-05-23 13:29:39 < haylo> AlexKidd: here is a listing of images made with non-free drivers btw http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/
2013-05-23 13:30:39 < haylo> but i recommend that you use the awesome resources of debian live build to learn to make you own. being that you are here anyway :P
2013-05-23 13:32:38 < mbentley> hmm, looking at the .packages file, i am only seeing "firmware-linux-free" in those builds
2013-05-23 13:32:54 < mbentley> unless i am misunderstanding what those builds are supposed to contain
2013-05-23 13:33:14 < mbentley> as an example >> http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso.packages
2013-05-23 13:38:22 < AlexKidd> a non-free driver (in my case the radeon driver) require the firmware-linux-nonfree
2013-05-23 13:38:26 < AlexKidd> package
2013-05-23 13:38:53 < haylo> mbentley: im not sure where you are getting your information :P
2013-05-23 13:39:08 < mbentley> haylo: ??
2013-05-23 13:39:41 < mbentley> haylo: am i blind?  i don't see firmware-linux-nonfree in that .packges list
2013-05-23 13:39:59 < mbentley> which is what one would assume would be in those builds
2013-05-23 13:41:23 < haylo> mbentley: do you see how they all say non-free in thier title ? If they dont actuallhave non-free then file a bug report
2013-05-23 13:42:02 < mbentley> haylo: i'm just pointing out what AlexKidd is seeing :)
2013-05-23 13:46:08 < AlexKidd> Should opn a bug report for this? Really ?
2013-05-23 13:46:13 < AlexKidd> *open
2013-05-23 13:46:16 < AlexKidd> :P
2013-05-23 13:46:48 < haylo> should just build your own image the way you want it
2013-05-23 13:47:37 < AlexKidd> oh yes, but the images provided on the website are builded as not expected 
2013-05-23 13:47:53 < AlexKidd> the are not contains any non-free packages
2013-05-23 13:47:57 < AlexKidd> wget -O - http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso.contents  | grep -iv main
2013-05-23 13:48:02 < AlexKidd> try this
2013-05-23 13:48:02 < haylo> there is nothing about the premade ones that is any better, they are made with the same tools, live-build. and consist of not much variance but a custom package list
2013-05-23 13:49:16 < haylo> AlexKidd: it happens, there was a new version release recently. and yes, the proper thing would be to file a bug report. but i am sure the devs will just see the conversation here and address it
2013-05-23 13:50:50 < AlexKidd> unfortunately I don't know where open a bug report related to live images 
2013-05-23 13:51:05 < AlexKidd> :\
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2013-05-24 17:19:36 < spartacular> i downloaded a standard live image and the SHA512SUM file was signed by RSA key ID AD11CF6A which none of the key repositories that i tried apparently had. where can i find the key or is it even a good key?
2013-05-24 17:20:10 < spartacular> the files in question were downloaded from https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/
2013-05-24 17:29:28 < dba> it is at least on subkeys.pgp.net, pgp.mit.edu, and (on debian the default key server) keys.gnupg.net.
2013-05-24 17:42:50 < spartacular> ok, will try there... i need to update my list :-)
2013-05-24 17:44:25 < spartacular> is the key going to be listed at https://www.debian.org/CD/verify ?
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2013-05-26 07:39:17 < BTS> Opened #709871 in live-boot 2.0.15-1 by Edwin Fukunaga <efukunag@gmail.com> <<tftp transfer of a large squashfs image stalls after about 640 MB>>. https://bugs.debian.org/709871
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2013-05-26 12:51:19 < BTS> Opened #709887 in live-build 3.0.5-1 by Vincent Smeets <vincent.vs...@gmail.com> <<No memory test in prebuild live images.>>. https://bugs.debian.org/709887
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2013-05-26 16:01:52 < Bronze> hi.
2013-05-26 16:03:29 < Bronze> I have a tower with 12GB RAM, and an i7 cpu. I want to live boot a 128 GB sdcard with a live debian image on it and use it for development work.
2013-05-26 16:04:21 < Bronze> can a live ISO image be created that uses that entire 128 GB card with persistence? 
2013-05-26 16:05:36 < Bronze> using bedian-live's build tools?
2013-05-26 16:05:40 < Bronze> *debian
2013-05-26 16:11:02 < haylo|cgraf> i have been using a 500GB persistence partition for almost 5 months now. 
2013-05-26 16:13:47 < haylo|cgraf> maybe not ideal to make live systems have that large of a persistence partition, and be that permanent. but you can do it.
2013-05-26 16:21:17 < haylo|cgraf> Bronze: just put a .img on the sdcard and then use the remainder of it for persistence. if you look at the disk after you copy the .img to it, it will be fairly obvious how to use the remainder for persistence
2013-05-26 16:22:48 < haylo|cgraf> use the 3.x live-build manual, to look up how to make a persistent partition, and custom images, if that is what you need.  http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html
2013-05-26 16:23:50 < haylo|cgraf> and ofc, you can have teh whole sdcard as persistence. and have the actual .iso ( or .img )  somewhere else. like on a CD or DVD for example
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2013-05-26 16:28:54 < haylo|cgraf> and ofc, you can have teh whole sdcard as persistence. and have the actual .iso  ( or .img )  somewhere else. like on a CD or DVD for example
2013-05-26 17:21:51 < Bronze> haylo|cgraf: Thank you for the info. And I've added that to my manual reading. :)
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2013-05-26 19:43:25 < tryagain> is there any way to change default kernel options in image downloaded from http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-7.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop+nonfree.iso ?
2013-05-26 19:44:03 < tryagain> I'd like to boot it in persistence mode without typing tab and entering that word on every boot
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2013-05-26 20:00:06 < haylo|cgraf> tryagain:  mount debian-live-7.0.0-i386-lxde-desktop.iso /mnt/ && cat /mnt/isolinux/live.cfg
2013-05-26 20:00:51 < haylo|cgraf> that was the iso that i downloaded the other day. and it mounted rather easily like that
2013-05-26 20:02:49 < haylo|cgraf> You used to have loop mount stuff like that. but now i think that is done automatically or something. If your system does not automatically mount it, then try calculating the offset and mounting it with losetup
2013-05-26 20:04:10 < tryagain> haylo|cgraf it looks like it always being mounted readonly, at least when I mount it from the pendrive...
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2013-05-26 20:12:57 < tryagain> hm... When I mount the image file, it's mounted rw. When I mount partition (or disk device) i've put image to, there seems to be no way to mount rw.
2013-05-26 20:14:01 < haylo|cgraf> you know what im sorry, i always use the .img versions instead of .iso . I thought you could just mount them the same way
2013-05-26 20:16:03 < tryagain> there seems to be no img files for wheezy... Yes, the process were straightforward for img's which afaik use fat instead of iso9660
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2013-05-26 20:27:58 < haylo|cgraf> yeah iso files cant be edited, not sure what i was thinking. Probably better to just make your own with live-build. there is this growisofs but i am not sure that would work correctly with a live image.
2013-05-26 20:34:53 < SynrG> i agree there's no good solution at this time for this. i don't think having the archive carry a whole duplicate set of images just for the sake of editing boot parameters is a very good move
2013-05-26 20:35:27 < SynrG> you might just be better off using live-build to build an hdd image to your specifications
2013-05-26 20:35:58 < SynrG> (as haylo|cgraf said)
2013-05-26 20:36:49 < SynrG> back with squeeze, you couldn't even repartition a usb key with hybrid image copied to it. at least that much has been fixed.
2013-05-26 20:37:45 < SynrG> i suppose you could simply extract the iso contents to your usb key and s/isolinux/extlinux/ in it to make bootable via extlinux
2013-05-26 20:44:55 < tryagain> thank you.. Will try your suggestions when I'll get tired entering the "persistent" option at the boot time :) 
2013-05-26 20:45:42 < tryagain> s/persistent/persistence/
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2013-05-27 08:55:34 < dba> SynrG: re memtest bug: it applies to both live-images and live-build (no need to clone and foo, i'll just fix it soonish)
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2013-05-27 12:24:59 < SynrG> dba: great. so a normal, non-live image will have working HDT?
2013-05-27 12:27:21 < dba> non-live images have no hdt
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2013-05-27 12:59:35 < SynrG> dba: ok
2013-05-27 12:59:53 < SynrG> you mean "by default"?
2013-05-27 13:02:48 < dba> SynrG: non-live images with live-build are not published anywhere and are still considered experimental;
2013-05-27 13:03:23 < dba> non-live images built with debian-cd aka regular d-i install images do not have hdt included.
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2013-05-27 13:25:37 < SynrG> dba: that's not what i meant
2013-05-27 13:25:53 < SynrG> i meant does any user of syslinux ever have hdt?
2013-05-27 13:26:02 < SynrG> quite separate from what official images are made.
2013-05-27 13:26:16 < SynrG> and if so, is hdt broken for them if their system has memtest86+?
2013-05-27 13:26:43 < SynrG> ideally if they use the hdt module in syslinux (which they might by writing a syslinux config that pulls it in) ...
2013-05-27 13:27:00 < SynrG> what do they need to do to ensure hdt's memtest entry doesn't error out?
2013-05-27 13:27:36 < SynrG> i don't think this is outright broken. it may just fall in the category of "doesn't have an obvious solution covered in the doc"
2013-05-27 13:27:45 < SynrG> (syslinux doc is what i'm talking about)
2013-05-27 13:28:31 < dba> SynrG: i think you're confused (or i am :)
2013-05-27 13:29:09 < dba> from a syslinux point of view, however uses hdt, should just have correct configs (that they wrote themselfs in the first place)
2013-05-27 13:29:21 < dba> using hdt is just like any other module, you have to make sure your config uses it correctly.
2013-05-27 13:29:53 < dba> or as an analogy.. when you use vesamenu module in syslinux, you have to make sure that you're using the various menu* options/directives in your syslinux config right.
2013-05-27 13:30:00 < SynrG> so if someone uses hdt they won't be confused if the memory test fails about what they need to fix?
2013-05-27 13:30:19 < SynrG> if you think "it's perfectly obvious what they need to do", i'll just stop wasting breath on this :)
2013-05-27 13:30:20 < dba> your point-of-view is wrong imho,
2013-05-27 13:30:58 < dba> someone who deploys a syslinux booting system and using hdt in its configs, need to make sure that optional stuff (like memtest) is configured in that very config too if they want to make use of it.
2013-05-27 13:31:56 < dba> (for someone doing the syslinux config, it's absolutely obvious how/what to do to have memtest referencable from hdt, yes)
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2013-05-27 14:28:05 < irker936> git: mail live-images:debian-next * b42f303 / : Including memtest86+ in syslinux menu (Closes: #709887). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=b42f303
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2013-05-27 14:28:33 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian-next * 80ca157 / share/bootloaders/extlinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/isolinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/pxelinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/syslinux/advanced.cfg: Including memtest86+ in syslinux menu. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=80ca157
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2013-05-27 14:30:48 < SynrG> dba: ok. that's the statement i wanted from you. if you think it's obvious i won't worry about it. you know the package better than i do
2013-05-27 14:37:06 < irker936> git: mail live-boot:debian-next * 057d800 / scripts/boot/9990-mount-http.sh: Increasing tftp blocksize to maximum value per RFC 2348, thanks to Vincent Smeets <Vincent.VSmeets@gmail.com> (Closes: #709887). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=057d800
2013-05-27 14:46:17 < irker936> git: mail live-boot:debian-next * 775e21c / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=775e21c
2013-05-27 14:46:18 < irker936> git: mail live-boot:4.0_a13-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a12-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-27 14:46:31 < irker936> git: mail live-boot:debian * 057d800 / scripts/boot/9990-mount-http.sh: Increasing tftp blocksize to maximum value per RFC 2348, thanks to Vincent Smeets <Vincent.VSmeets@gmail.com> (Closes: #709887). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=057d800
2013-05-27 14:46:32 < irker936> git: mail live-boot:debian * 775e21c / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=775e21c
2013-05-27 14:47:20 < irker936> git: mail live-boot:pristine-tar * a889c5c / live-boot_4.0~a13.orig.tar.xz.delta live-boot_4.0~a13.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a13. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=a889c5c
2013-05-27 14:47:21 < irker936> git: mail live-boot:upstream * 659360c / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a13. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=659360c
2013-05-27 14:47:22 < irker936> git: mail live-boot:4.0_a13 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a13-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-27 14:48:59 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian * 89d3b33 / debian/changelog: Adding 3.0.2-1 until 3.0.5-1 changelog entries. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=89d3b33
2013-05-27 14:49:00 < irker936> git: unixabg live-build:debian * 39cf681 / frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi.cron: Modified l-b-cgi cron to move submitted build file to temporary build directory after reading. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=39cf681
2013-05-27 14:49:00 < irker936> git: unixabg live-build:debian * 1e44321 / frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi.cron frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi.default: Initial commit on l-b-cgi frontend to support multiple instances of image building. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e44321
2013-05-27 14:49:01 < irker936> git: unixabg live-build:debian * d8b7920 / frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi.cron: Formatting cleanup on l-b-cgi.cron wrt commit that support multiple instances of image building. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8b7920
2013-05-27 14:49:02 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian * 2bad1bd / scripts/build/binary_syslinux: Sorting kernel versions in reverse order (newest first) in syslinux configurations in consistency with normal bootloader behaviours. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bad1bd
2013-05-27 14:49:02 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian * d61c044 / scripts/build/chroot: Moving creation of chroot.files manifest in lb chroot after pseudo-filesystems have been unmounted to avoid loops, thanks to Michal Suchanek <hramrach@gmail.com>. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=d61c044
2013-05-27 14:49:02 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian * d26dea3 / scripts/build/bootstrap_cdebootstrap scripts/build/bootstrap_debootstrap: Sorting imports in python stubs. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=d26dea3
2013-05-27 14:49:03 < irker936> git: unixabg live-build:debian * c944301 / examples/auto/build: Return the error code from auto/build script. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=c944301
2013-05-27 14:49:03 < irker936> git: unixabg live-build:debian * e109d94 / frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi: Improve reading of post data on l-b-cgi frontend. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=e109d94
2013-05-27 14:49:05 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian * 80ca157 / share/bootloaders/extlinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/isolinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/pxelinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/syslinux/advanced.cfg: Including memtest86+ in syslinux menu. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=80ca157
2013-05-27 14:49:05 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian * c4c033a / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a19-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4c033a
2013-05-27 14:49:07 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian-next * c4c033a / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a19-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4c033a
2013-05-27 14:49:07 < irker936> git: mail live-build:4.0_a19-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a19-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-27 14:50:13 < irker936> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * 0b025d1 / live-build_4.0~a19.orig.tar.xz.delta live-build_4.0~a19.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a19. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b025d1
2013-05-27 14:50:14 < irker936> git: mail live-build:upstream * b479cb9 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a19. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=b479cb9
2013-05-27 14:50:15 < irker936> git: mail live-build:4.0_a19 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a19-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-27 14:56:18 < irker936> git: mail live-config:debian-next * 9ef91d0 / Makefile backends/upstart/live-config.upstart bin/live-config-update debian/control debian/live-config-upstart.install debian/rules debian/source.lintian-overrides scripts/config.sh scripts/config/0180-upstart: Dropping support for upstart, nobody stepped up maintaining this. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ef91d0
2013-05-27 14:56:19 < irker936> git: mail live-config:debian-next * 0407b6f / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a22-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=0407b6f
2013-05-27 14:56:20 < irker936> git: mail live-config:4.0_a22-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a21-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
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2013-05-27 14:56:25 < irker936> git: chals live-config:debian * 0e54f06 / manpages/fr/live-config.fr.7 manpages/po/fr/live-config.7.po: Updating French translation of man page. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e54f06
2013-05-27 14:56:25 < irker936> git: chals live-config:debian * cae8419 / manpages/es/live-config.es.7 manpages/po/es/live-config.7.po: Updating Spanish translation of man page. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=cae8419
2013-05-27 14:56:26 < irker936> git: mail live-config:debian * 9ef91d0 / Makefile backends/upstart/live-config.upstart bin/live-config-update debian/control debian/live-config-upstart.install debian/rules debian/source.lintian-overrides scripts/config.sh scripts/config/0180-upstart: Dropping support for upstart, nobody stepped up maintaining this. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ef91d0
2013-05-27 14:56:26 < irker936> git: mail live-config:debian * 0407b6f / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a22-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=0407b6f
2013-05-27 14:57:13 < irker936> git: mail live-config:pristine-tar * 1dd8e95 / live-config_4.0~a22.orig.tar.xz.delta live-config_4.0~a22.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a22. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dd8e95
2013-05-27 14:57:14 < irker936> git: mail live-config:upstream * 3f9671c / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a22. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f9671c
2013-05-27 14:57:15 < irker936> git: mail live-config:4.0_a22 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a22-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-config.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-27 15:00:52 < dba> unixabg: if you commit stuff, please make sure you run 'make test'
2013-05-27 15:01:19 < dba> you imported bashsism in one of your cgi commits, make tests spots those.
2013-05-27 15:04:04 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian-next * fc5e7c9 / frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi: Removing importet test bashism in frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc5e7c9
2013-05-27 15:21:01 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian * f35f4c6 / share/bootloaders/extlinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/isolinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/pxelinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/syslinux/advanced.cfg: Including memtest86+ in syslinux menu. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=f35f4c6
2013-05-27 15:21:02 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian * 9008de3 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a19-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=9008de3
2013-05-27 15:22:19 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian-next * f35f4c6 / share/bootloaders/extlinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/isolinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/pxelinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/syslinux/advanced.cfg: Including memtest86+ in syslinux menu. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=f35f4c6
2013-05-27 15:23:19 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian-next * 9008de3 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a19-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=9008de3
2013-05-27 15:23:20 < irker936> git: unixabg live-build:debian-next * 3c59c82 / frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi: Improve reading of post data on l-b-cgi frontend. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c59c82
2013-05-27 15:23:21 < irker936> git: mail live-build:debian-next * e44fe9b / frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi: Removing importet test bashism in frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=e44fe9b
2013-05-27 15:23:35 < irker936> git: mail live-build:pristine-tar * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a19-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-27 15:23:36 < irker936> git: mail live-build:upstream * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a19-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-27 15:23:45 < irker936> git: mail live-build:4.0_a19-1 * f35f4c6 / share/bootloaders/extlinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/isolinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/pxelinux/advanced.cfg share/bootloaders/syslinux/advanced.cfg: Including memtest86+ in syslinux menu. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=f35f4c6
2013-05-27 15:23:45 < irker936> git: mail live-build:4.0_a19-1 * 9008de3 / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a19-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=9008de3
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2013-05-27 15:24:41 < irker936> git: mail live-build:upstream * 0cc3ec4 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a19. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cc3ec4
2013-05-27 15:24:42 < irker936> git: mail live-build:4.0_a19 * 0cc3ec4 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a19. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cc3ec4
2013-05-27 15:29:43 < irker936> git: mail live-images:debian * 17353fa / examples/live-images-wheezy: Checking out specified tag in wheezy example script since live-images is not in wheezy itself. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=17353fa
2013-05-27 15:29:43 < irker936> git: unixabg live-images:debian * de868bb / images/gnome-desktop/auto/build images/kde-desktop/auto/build images/lxde-desktop/auto/build images/rescue/auto/build images/standard/auto/build images/xfce-desktop/auto/build: Return the error code from auto/build script. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=de868bb
2013-05-27 15:29:44 < irker936> git: mail live-images:debian * b42f303 / : Including memtest86+ in syslinux menu (Closes: #709887). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=b42f303
2013-05-27 15:29:44 < irker936> git: mail live-images:debian * c6c04d0 / VERSION debian/changelog manpages/de/live-images.de.7 manpages/en/live-images.7 manpages/po/de/live-images.7.po manpages/pot/live-images.7.pot: Releasing debian version 4.0~a17-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6c04d0
2013-05-27 15:29:45 < irker936> git: mail live-images:debian-next * c6c04d0 / VERSION debian/changelog manpages/de/live-images.de.7 manpages/en/live-images.7 manpages/po/de/live-images.7.po manpages/pot/live-images.7.pot: Releasing debian version 4.0~a17-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6c04d0
2013-05-27 15:29:45 < irker936> git: mail live-images:pristine-tar * 9505428 / live-images_4.0~a17.orig.tar.xz.delta live-images_4.0~a17.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a17. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=9505428
2013-05-27 15:29:47 < irker936> git: mail live-images:upstream * 53e707c / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a17. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=53e707c
2013-05-27 15:29:48 < irker936> git: mail live-images:4.0_a17-1 * HEAD / VERSION debian/changelog manpages/de/live-images.de.7 manpages/en/live-images.7 manpages/po/de/live-images.7.po manpages/pot/live-images.7.pot: Releasing debian version 4.0~a17-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-27 15:29:48 < irker936> git: mail live-images:4.0_a17 * HEAD / VERSION debian/changelog manpages/de/live-images.de.7 manpages/en/live-images.7 manpages/po/de/live-images.7.po manpages/pot/live-images.7.pot: Releasing debian version 4.0~a17-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-27 15:32:09 < dba> unixabg: i've rebased stuff and put your commit on top of debian-next, therefore; please fix live-build:debian-next to pass 'make test' when you get arround to it.
2013-05-27 15:40:01 < BTS> live-boot 4.0~a13-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> (Closes: #709887) https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-boot
2013-05-27 15:40:06 < BTS> live-build 4.0~a19-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-build
2013-05-27 15:40:13 < BTS> live-config 4.0~a22-1 uploaded to experimental by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-config
2013-05-27 15:40:24 < BTS> live-images 4.0~a17-1 uploaded by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> (Closes: #709887) https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-images
2013-05-27 15:44:16 < SynrG> dba: while we're talking about fixing live-images (although this is probably not live-images per se, but your build scripts ...) the 7.0 release was missing firmware in the non-free images. do you have that fixed?
2013-05-27 15:44:54 < SynrG> dba: would probably be good to do an rc1 for the upcoming point release with whatever fixes we would like to get in
2013-05-27 15:47:57 < dba> i don't know where it came from but, but unrelated to that, i'll do two seperate builds for 7.0.1 (the official one after the release, the +nonfree one a couple of days later)
2013-05-27 15:48:36 < dba> i don't know if i'll have time and ressources for an rc1 of 7.0.1, there's a quite a lot of stuff i have to do first
2013-05-27 15:49:13 < SynrG> yeah
2013-05-27 15:49:38 < SynrG> it was just a thought. if not, i'll just do whatever testing i can on my own (though builds are slow for me)
2013-05-27 15:51:01 < SynrG> dba: anyway, when i examined the log *and* contents, there was no non-free firmware, nor even non-free in apt included in the gnome non-free image.
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2013-05-27 17:03:32 < itai> hello
2013-05-27 17:07:47 < itai> anybody here?
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2013-05-27 17:23:28 < sillyfly> hi. I was wondering - is it possible to build an i386 image from an amd64 system?
2013-05-27 17:23:28 < sillyfly> because I can't get it to work properly...
2013-05-27 17:25:17 < SynrG> yes.
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2013-05-27 17:25:58 < SynrG> if you do not use auto and you previous did not specify -a i386 in the same workspace, re-executing lb config, i mean ...
2013-05-27 17:26:20 < SynrG> then you would end up with the default kernel incorrectly set to amd64 from your prior run. it *will not* be reset when lb config is run again with a different -a value
2013-05-27 17:26:36 < SynrG> see live-manual chapter 6 which recommends you use auto to solve this and similar problems.
2013-05-27 17:26:49 < SynrG> previously* i meant
2013-05-27 17:27:32 < SynrG> sillyfly: ^
2013-05-27 17:28:34 < sillyfly> I use auto
2013-05-27 17:28:41 < sillyfly> with --architectures i386
2013-05-27 17:28:47 < sillyfly> is that what you mean by -a?
2013-05-27 17:29:36 < sillyfly> the contents of my auto/config are - 
2013-05-27 17:29:49 < sillyfly> lb config noauto \
2013-05-27 17:29:49 < sillyfly>         --architectures i386 --linux-flavours 486 \
2013-05-27 17:29:50 < sillyfly>         --binary-images iso-hybrid \
2013-05-27 17:29:50 < sillyfly> "${@}"
2013-05-27 17:30:34 < sillyfly> but in the lb build stage I get an error the apt couldn't find the package linux-image-486
2013-05-27 17:32:27 < dba> are building a debian image?
2013-05-27 17:33:10 < sillyfly> I am building the default image, as per the first example in the manual. the only change I have made is the auto/config file
2013-05-27 17:33:47 < dba> that's now what i'm asking;
2013-05-27 17:33:55 < dba> is the image you're building a debian one?
2013-05-27 17:34:09 < dba> if you didn't specify --mode explicitly, and you're building on a non-debian system (e.g. ubuntu),
2013-05-27 17:34:13 < dba> you'll not get a debian system.
2013-05-27 17:34:28 < dba> so, are you building a debian image?
2013-05-27 17:34:42 < sillyfly> oh, I am building on a debian system
2013-05-27 17:34:48 < sillyfly> but I am using non-debian kernel.
2013-05-27 17:34:52 < sillyfly> could that be the problem?
2013-05-27 17:34:58 < sillyfly> (liquorix kernel)
2013-05-27 17:37:06 < dba> the kernel will not matter if the underlaying system is a debian one or not.
2013-05-27 17:37:48 < sillyfly> ok. so I am on a debian testing. I am trying to explicitly set --mode now, see if that makes a difference
2013-05-27 17:40:34 < sillyfly> nope. still the same error - "E: Unable to locate package linux-image-486" :(
2013-05-27 17:42:03 < SynrG> so you did 'lb clean' and 'sudo lb build' and get that?
2013-05-27 17:42:14 < sillyfly> yes.
2013-05-27 17:42:14 < SynrG> sounds like you missed the clean
2013-05-27 17:42:33 < sillyfly> I also explicitly deleted the "config" dir before running "lb config", to make sure.
2013-05-27 17:43:08 < sillyfly> is there a way to tell for sure which configuration "lb build" uses? will --verbose show that?
2013-05-27 17:43:15 < SynrG> 'lb clean --purge' i mean
2013-05-27 17:43:27 < SynrG> the amd64 bootstrap from a prior build is cached, i guess.
2013-05-27 17:43:48 < SynrG> nothing from your old amd64 build is useful this time around. you must --purge to discard it all.
2013-05-27 17:44:16 < SynrG> or, well, 'sudo lb clean --purge'
2013-05-27 17:44:32 < sillyfly> something does seem different this time around!
2013-05-27 17:45:37 < SynrG> yes. it will start over with the debootstrap phase. before, it was using the cache.
2013-05-27 17:46:32 < SynrG> of course, being an amd64 debootstrap cache, it would not obey your i386 architecture config change. in general, if you make a change to your configuration, you must always clean back to prior to the stage that configuration change affects.
2013-05-27 17:47:53 < sillyfly> yes, I just didn't realize I had to pass --purge. thanks :)
2013-05-27 17:50:51 < SynrG> np
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2013-05-28 02:10:38 < unixabg> dba: ack. This seemed to be the way people were doing it and dash is not bash. To make cgi post data work I have only had 
2013-05-28 02:10:45 < unixabg> success with bash.
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2013-05-28 04:35:47 < irker064> git: mail live-boot:debian-next * 56eb023 / : Updating note about overlay file image names in live-boot manpage, thanks to Peter Schaefer <peter.schaefer@physik.hu-berlin.de> (Closes: #701615). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=56eb023
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2013-05-28 04:41:53 < irker064> git: mail live-systems.org:master * ae8d39a / devel/live-boot/todo.mdwn: Updating live-boot todo page. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-systems.org.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae8d39a
2013-05-28 04:45:19 < BTS> Closed #700920 in live-boot by daniel.baumann@progress-technologies.net <<improving live-media= to immediately detect medium>>. https://bugs.debian.org/700920
2013-05-28 04:48:40 < irker064> git: mail live-boot:debian-next * 1b6cb3d / scripts/boot/0010-debug scripts/boot/9990-misc-helpers.sh scripts/boot/9990-mount-iscsi.sh scripts/boot/9990-overlay.sh: Correcting debug variables through out the code to use the same one. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-boot.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b6cb3d
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2013-05-28 12:13:12 < dba> chals++
2013-05-28 12:13:22 < chals> dba: :)
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2013-05-28 12:35:11 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:debian * a759883 / scripts/debconfig/0220-dbus scripts/debconfig/0220-dbus.templates: Adding a script do make dbus work inside a container running systemd, thanks to Nik Lutz <nik@netstyle.ch> for the initial work on this. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=a759883
2013-05-28 12:35:12 < irker405> git: nik live-debconfig:debian * 7054c78 / scripts/debconfig/0040-systemd: Configure systemd-journald to work inside containers running systemd. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=7054c78
2013-05-28 12:35:12 < irker405> git: nik live-debconfig:debian * f4daa92 / scripts/debconfig/0040-systemd scripts/debconfig/0040-systemd.templates: Adding rescue.target to the list of services to be disabled in systemd containers (minutes after boot systemd starts reporting on rescue.target failures). http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4daa92
2013-05-28 12:35:13 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:debian * ca48d87 / bin/live-debconfig: Importing global preseed files from /var/lib/live/debconfig/preseed, if any. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca48d87
2013-05-28 12:35:13 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:debian * 626397e / : Adding /var/lib/live/debconfig/preseed/ to files section in manpage. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=626397e
2013-05-28 12:35:15 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:debian * d7f8921 / examples/preseed.cfg examples/preseed.sh: Autogenerating preseed example file from debconf files. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7f8921
2013-05-28 12:35:15 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:debian * e2c49af / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a23-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2c49af
2013-05-28 12:35:17 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:debian-next * e2c49af / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a23-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2c49af
2013-05-28 12:35:17 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:4.0_a23-1 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a23-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-28 12:35:54 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:pristine-tar * 1d6bc4d / live-debconfig_4.0~a23.orig.tar.xz.delta live-debconfig_4.0~a23.orig.tar.xz.id: Adding pristine-tar version 4.0~a23. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d6bc4d
2013-05-28 12:35:54 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:upstream * 1f81ba7 / : Adding upstream version 4.0~a23. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f81ba7
2013-05-28 12:35:55 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:4.0_a23 * HEAD / : Releasing debian version 4.0~a23-1. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=HEAD
2013-05-28 12:39:03 < irker405> git: mail live-debconfig:debian-next * bdca0c0 / scripts/debconfig/0070-procps.templates: Correcting debconf field type for vm.swappiness in procps script. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-debconfig.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdca0c0
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2013-05-28 12:49:03 < BTS> live-debconfig 4.0~a23-1 uploaded by Daniel Baumann <mail@daniel-...> https://packages.qa.debian.org/live-debconfig
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2013-05-28 19:14:41 < kozmo> Where can I get the key for deb-multimedia to and into the config?
2013-05-28 19:21:24 < kozmo> I have the key on my host system, although I need to export the file somehow to include it in the build config.
2013-05-28 19:29:42 < hacktivist> http://attackvector.org
2013-05-28 19:30:08 < mbentley> kozmo: you could include the package deb-multimedia-keyring in your config/packages.chroot/ directory
2013-05-28 19:32:10 < kozmo> I downloaded the deb file, and though to put it in the local package dir.
2013-05-28 19:32:33 < kozmo> So, same idea?
2013-05-28 19:33:22 < kozmo> Why do they neglect publishing the key, so I can just add that file?  I would prefer to do it that way.
2013-05-28 19:34:02 < kozmo> Then I could forget about checking to see that the keyring package is the newest.
2013-05-28 19:37:58 < mbentley> kozmo: same idea.  looks like the package just installs a couple files to /usr/share/keyrings
2013-05-28 19:38:12 < mbentley> deb-multimedia-keyring.gpg & deb-multimedia-removed-keys.gpg
2013-05-28 19:38:42 < kozmo> Well, I see if it works.  
2013-05-28 19:38:58 < kozmo> I'll let you know.
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2013-05-28 19:51:07 < Guest103> hi anyone here involved in developement of live debian?
2013-05-28 19:56:13 < mbentley> Guest103: it's probably better to just ask whatever it is you are looking for :)
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2013-05-28 19:58:40 < Guest103> true sorry just wanted to say have the utmost admiration for the people who spen time on developement for the likes of myself just a user
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2013-05-28 20:44:22 < haylo|cgraf> mbentley: maybe he would have stayed for more than 7 minutes if you had formulated that a bit differently. :P  just a bit of friendly peer input
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2013-05-28 20:50:52 < SynrG> i doubt it. his user at host was 'user@#.#.#.#' so probably using a live image and probably just for a short while.
2013-05-28 20:52:17 < SynrG> anyone with a serious interest in taking part in development, for us to actually make use of their help, should be articulate in expressing what areas they think they can help ... mbentley left it wide open for him to give a more specific response and he didn't
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2013-05-28 20:59:54 < kozmo> mbentley:  Are you the same bentley as sbentley?
2013-05-28 21:00:57 < kozmo> In anycase I am getting verification errs and an abort of the build.  I have the key id, anyway to get the actual key file?
2013-05-28 21:01:22 < kozmo> Also I am now getting verification errs for things the built before like mplayer.
2013-05-28 21:05:44 < haylo|cgraf> ok ok , you're right. sorry mbentley 
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2013-05-28 21:12:41 < SynrG> haylo|cgraf: 'scratching an itch' is the first step to developing on your own. and dialogue with others in the team about that is the first step to participating in a group context. "what problem are you currently having that you would like to solve?" sounds like a reasonable invitation to participate in development, i hope you agree :)
2013-05-28 21:17:34 < haylo|cgraf> just a postulate, if he was only going to stay for seven minutes. Does it really matter if he is instructed on proper question asking format.
2013-05-28 21:21:30 < haylo|cgraf> that probably is more my point. if every time i look at irc i see a snippy line from a fellow user telling another user to ask questions more correctly. I might just by chance eventually , say somethign about it
2013-05-28 21:21:41 < haylo|cgraf> by accident
2013-05-28 21:23:24 < SynrG> the invitation to ask was neither snippy nor particularly unfriendly
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2013-05-28 21:23:43 < SynrG> so maybe this is just a hot button for you so you made a snap judgement based on prior sensitivity?
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2013-05-28 21:45:44 < kozmo> Well, if anyone cares, I had to use gpg to recieve and then exprot the key to a file, then add that file to the apt key file in the config.  It worked like a charm.
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2013-05-28 21:49:16 < SynrG> huh. well, the usual way is just to add the keyring package to your package list and everything 'just works'. might not work in an unclean build tree ... can't think of any other reason that might fail.
2013-05-28 21:49:46 < SynrG> ah, well, actually, i can't say for sure if that's true. the *documented* way is to put the key in your config/archives/ directory
2013-05-28 21:50:24 < SynrG> i would have to do a minimal failing case in a clean build tree to say for sure
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2013-05-28 21:56:04 < kozmo>  I'm still using lb_2x.  I tried using the keyring package first.  Maybe I put it in the wrong place.  I put it with the other debs for local install.
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2013-05-28 21:56:51 < kozmo> I still seem to have trouble getting 3x to produce a working build.  So, I'm using 2x to produce a wheezy image.  It seems to work well enough.
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2013-05-28 21:58:14 < kozmo> Be the way I finally got a GeForce2 video adapter, so now I can run wheezy as usual.
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2013-05-29 00:05:08 < kozmo> I'd like to change the value of /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax although when I try to sudo echo a new value into it, access is denied.  What's up with that?
2013-05-29 00:14:08 < kozmo> I gotta reboot again so disregard that question.
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2013-05-29 00:17:53 < SynrG> kozmo: (if-and-when you return) you're doing it wrong. sudo sh -c "echo blah > foo". otherwise, it is the shell that runs sudo that's doing ">", not the shell that is run *by* sudo that's doing ">"
2013-05-29 00:18:23 < SynrG> hence, no permission.
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2013-05-29 09:09:24 < BTS> Opened #710226 in live-boot by Johan L?rne <psychodelia@home.se> <<Wired network interface is configured as unmanaged by NM in wheezy xfce-live>>. https://bugs.debian.org/710226
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2013-05-29 10:43:31 < dba> SynrG: re the NM bug: there's definitely an issue with it with live though,
2013-05-29 10:43:50 < dba> live-boot does create /etc/network/interfaces entries when NM is included, and it shouldn't do that in that case.
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2013-05-29 10:44:05 < dba> (but that is an unrelated remark to the bug at hand)
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2013-05-29 10:49:25 < SynrG> dba: sure
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2013-05-29 10:49:55 < SynrG> dba: i was just observing that the network looks 'plugged in' in XFCE when i boot the image and looked no further.
2013-05-29 10:50:44 < SynrG> so maybe it is live-boot after all? in any case, it is a bug affecting install only, afaics.
2013-05-29 10:51:01 < SynrG> i mean, from the end-user's perspective.
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2013-05-29 11:14:33 < SynrG> dba: ah, but if /e/n/i is configured by live that cannot affect install due to install using the squashfs as input (so it is immune to live-boot and live-config changes to /e/n/i :)
2013-05-29 11:14:38 < SynrG> just cluing in now.
2013-05-29 11:15:07 < SynrG> and that was my original impulse in stating categorically that it's not a live-boot nor live-config issue.
2013-05-29 11:15:25 < SynrG> so you're right. what you observed above is unrelated.
2013-05-29 11:15:56 < SynrG> i'm proceeding with a netinst of xfce using kvm.
2013-05-29 11:17:34 < dba> SynrG: yes, i wasn't speaking about installation (that's why the 'unrelated' remark of mine :)
2013-05-29 11:17:58 < SynrG> took me a few minutes to figure out *why* it was unrelated though
2013-05-29 11:19:32 < SynrG> hummm, why am i doing this on my second-fastest system?
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2013-05-29 20:27:24 < trifolio6> hi all
2013-05-29 20:29:47 < trifolio6> is panthera here ?  im the translator for debian-edu-config
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2013-05-29 20:32:57 < dba> trifolio6: hi
2013-05-29 20:33:10 < trifolio6> hi
2013-05-29 20:33:23 < trifolio6> for catalan version i mean
2013-05-29 20:33:53 < trifolio6> the file is not usual because its not utf-8 or any usualthing
2013-05-29 20:34:38 < trifolio6> dba,  are u panthera?
2013-05-29 20:34:44 < dba> yes
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2013-05-29 20:34:52 < trifolio6> ah! :)
2013-05-29 20:34:57 < trifolio6> do u remember me?
2013-05-29 20:35:09 < trifolio6> we meet in the debconf of edinburg
2013-05-29 20:35:16 < dba> yep
2013-05-29 20:35:35 < dba> but im on the phone
2013-05-29 20:35:39 < trifolio6> i helped with the translation of that file to catalan and maybe to spanish aswell
2013-05-29 20:35:43 < trifolio6> ah
2013-05-29 20:35:44 < trifolio6> ok
2013-05-29 20:35:46 < trifolio6> i wait
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2013-05-29 20:37:01 < trifolio6> ok, i write you here and u read whenever you can.
2013-05-29 20:38:42 < trifolio6> the thing is,  i remember i needed to prepare something to make it
2013-05-29 20:39:13 < trifolio6> then translate anything with the specific caracters
2013-05-29 20:40:47 < trifolio6> im trying to find my little guide
2013-05-29 20:41:07 < trifolio6> i think i did a list of steeps
2013-05-29 20:41:15 < trifolio6> but thats like 5 years ago
2013-05-29 20:43:53 < trifolio6> near to 6 years
2013-05-29 20:44:34 < trifolio6> one think that will helpme to find my guide is a keyword like the name of the file i need to translate.
2013-05-29 20:44:45 < trifolio6> then i grep -R
2013-05-29 20:44:49 < trifolio6> and find it
2013-05-29 20:49:21 < trifolio6> F1.txt.live  ?
2013-05-29 20:49:47 < trifolio6> sounds like it
2013-05-29 20:50:30 < trifolio6> grep -R txt.live *
2013-05-29 20:50:32 < trifolio6> is not there
2013-05-29 20:50:34 < trifolio6> hmmm
2013-05-29 21:02:08 < trifolio6> shit i forgot to publish that guide in our local users blog and now its not easy to me to find it
2013-05-29 21:02:39 < trifolio6> dba, if you have one guide on how to translate it and its fast , ill try to do it now.
2013-05-29 21:02:53 < trifolio6> if not ill need to leave this to the weekend
2013-05-29 21:03:13 < trifolio6> i have one exam tomorrow and one presentation the day after
2013-05-29 21:14:33 < trifolio6> well thats the time i had for doing it now,  ill try one more time the weeked
2013-05-29 21:14:35 < trifolio6> c u arround
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2013-05-29 22:28:08 < nodiscc> hello everyone
2013-05-29 22:28:43 < nodiscc> i have this strange problem with live-build  3.0.5-1 (whezy)
2013-05-29 22:28:45 < nodiscc> ee
2013-05-29 22:29:23 < nodiscc> it stops with this:
2013-05-29 22:29:32 < nodiscc> let me pasetbin it
2013-05-29 22:30:01 < nodiscc> http://paste.debian.net/7441/
2013-05-29 22:30:31 < nodiscc> then i'm back to my prompt
2013-05-29 22:30:38 < nodiscc> whats up?
2013-05-29 22:31:26 < nodiscc> is it a known bug?
2013-05-29 22:32:13 < nodiscc> grep-aptavail: apt-cache dumpavail:826232: expected a colon
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2013-05-30 11:53:48 < irker418> git: mail live-build:debian-next * bc35323 / functions/releases.sh scripts/build/bootstrap_archive-keys: Updating versioning scheme references to match new scheme since wheezy. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc35323
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2013-05-30 11:54:42 < irker418> git: mail live-build:debian-old-3.0 * 001e1b4 / functions/releases.sh scripts/build/bootstrap_archive-keys: Updating versioning scheme references to match new scheme since wheezy. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=001e1b4
2013-05-30 11:55:14 < irker418> git: mail live-build:debian-old-2.0 * a5e4569 / functions/releases.sh: Updating versioning scheme references to match new scheme since wheezy. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5e4569
2013-05-30 11:56:15 < irker418> git: mail live-build:debian-next * 3fdb02c / data/debian-cd/hardy data/debian-cd/oneiric functions/releases.sh: Dropping some EOL ubuntu release information. http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=3fdb02c
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2013-05-30 13:13:50 < unixabg> _Public_ _Announcement_ will be doing some testing on l-b-cgi.d.n today service may be intermittent.
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2013-05-30 15:55:37 < unixabg> Greetings, I need a bit of shell assistance. To get the error code back from builds on l-b-cgi.d.n
2013-05-30 15:56:47 < unixabg> I am attempting to use: lb build noauto && echo $? >> "${_BUILD_PATH}"/log 2>&1
2013-05-30 15:57:16 < unixabg> However the log file does not get populated with the output.
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2013-05-30 16:01:59 < dba> because the first command 'lb build noauto' gets executed,
2013-05-30 16:02:07 < dba> and then the second 'echo $?'
2013-05-30 16:02:28 < dba> whereas the redirection ' >> "${_BUILD_PATH}"/log 2>&1' only applies to the second command.
2013-05-30 16:02:47 < dba> that's why i've asked you twice if you're really sure that that change works before you commited it :)
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2013-05-30 16:23:36 < haylo|cgraf> ok tmux has merged all of my irc windows into one
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2013-05-30 16:30:01 < haylo|cgraf> sry wrong channel
2013-05-30 16:38:49 < haylo|cgraf> logical operators, sort of start a new line, like the ; symbol. Im afraid there is no easy way out of appending a logging operation to each function you need to log. except for calling it as part of the initial command name
2013-05-30 16:39:25 < haylo|cgraf> program name * i should say
2013-05-30 16:41:11 < haylo|cgraf> and with that && , echo $? only gets logged if the first statement exits with an exit status of zero
2013-05-30 16:42:24 < haylo|cgraf> it is the same as testing [ test ]  for an exit status of zero, With an if,then statement
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2013-05-30 17:21:55 < unixabg> dba: Hmm. I only tested it from a build directory and last time I tested it did return the error code from failed build as expected.
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2013-05-30 17:24:38 < unixabg> It does put the error code in the log file.
2013-05-30 17:24:41 < unixabg> /etc/cron.hourly/live-build-cgi: 1: [2013-05-30: not found
2013-05-30 17:25:21 < unixabg> So one of the main reasons for the commit is now gone. :(
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2013-05-30 17:51:59 < haylo|cgraf> the value of $? can change in a shell script, it numerically represents the number of positional parameters of the last command run
2013-05-30 17:56:30 < SynrG> errr?
2013-05-30 17:56:34 < SynrG> itym $#
2013-05-30 18:00:15 < SynrG> and "of the last command run"? i thought it was of the script being currently run.
2013-05-30 18:00:33 < SynrG> so "can change in a shell script"? demonstrate that.
2013-05-30 18:00:52 < SynrG> haylo|cgraf: btw, what's the context? i seem to be missing this :)
2013-05-30 18:01:15 < SynrG> another ECHAN?
2013-05-30 18:03:11 < haylo|cgraf> its the exit status, yeah sorry. but it can get changed in the course of the script or program
2013-05-30 18:04:19 < unixabg> While we are on scripting ?'s I have the bashism of:
2013-05-30 18:04:33 < unixabg> read -n $CONTENT_LENGTH POST_DATA <&0
2013-05-30 18:05:25 < unixabg> which works well with bash, but I believe sh is dash on container I am running in. I can make it work by changing the shell, but
2013-05-30 18:06:06 < unixabg> I would like to have a better way. For now I will make a commit to the way I have it that does not seem as clean:
2013-05-30 18:06:19 < unixabg> QUERY_STRING=$(cat /dev/stdin)
2013-05-30 18:09:14 < unixabg> Which irc channel for dash?
2013-05-30 18:11:47 < haylo|cgraf> a simple script to show the value of $? changing https://paste.debian.net/7642/
2013-05-30 18:12:26 < haylo|cgraf> but maybe i misunderstand how it is working and what it is testing
2013-05-30 18:13:47 < haylo|cgraf> the guys on #bash irc.freenode.net handle sh stuff. but they are a handful tbh, almost easier to do it wrong
2013-05-30 18:14:20 < irker700> git: unixabg live-build:debian-next * c4e67c9 / frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi: Correcting bashism in frontends/cgi/live-build-cgi http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4e67c9
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2013-05-30 18:18:23 < unixabg> haylo|cgraf: thanks for that example.
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2013-05-30 18:52:49 < haylo|cgraf> actually SynrG is right ish. but we are all wrong ish as well. This is why the guys on #bash dont want you testing exit status
2013-05-30 18:54:35 < haylo|cgraf> in this example you can see that though $? will change $# wont  http://paste.debian.net/7657/
2013-05-30 18:55:05 < haylo|cgraf> so it is just testing the exit value of the script itself, but that is always changing, with the last command run
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2013-05-30 19:00:02 < haylo|cgraf> actually the only reason i am familiar with this, is that they reamed me out for a shell project assignment i had to do. where the prof had us testing exit status
2013-05-30 19:02:57 < SynrG> ah, yeah
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2013-05-30 19:31:42 < unixabg> _Public_  _Announcement: Status of l-b-cgi.d.n is builds that do not fail complete and those that do fail get stuck and not moved.
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2013-05-30 19:57:49 < unixabg> Oh and no email, no nothing, just jumps to trap.
2013-05-30 19:57:59 < unixabg> I will try to look in to more this evening.
2013-05-30 20:01:27 < dba> can't you run two instances? one with known-good version on l-b-cgi.d.n, and one to test on a second container/url?
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2013-05-30 20:35:39 < unixabg> dba: yes, I will try to set that up tonight if I have time. The reason I examined was failed builds are getting stuck.
2013-05-30 20:39:09 < unixabg> dba: also the commit to live-images for error code return was bad. It needs to be reverted. I will look up git revert command
2013-05-30 20:39:27 < unixabg> and revert in debian-next
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2013-05-30 20:51:47 < irker700> git: unixabg live-images:debian-next * a167691 / images/gnome-desktop/auto/build images/kde-desktop/auto/build images/lxde-desktop/auto/build images/rescue/auto/build images/standard/auto/build images/xfce-desktop/auto/build: Revert "Return the error code from auto/build script." http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-images.git;a=commitdiff;h=a167691
2013-05-30 20:53:33 < irker700> git: unixabg live-build:debian-next * d14adda / examples/auto/build: Revert "Return the error code from auto/build script." http://live.debian.net/gitweb/?p=live-build.git;a=commitdiff;h=d14adda
2013-05-30 20:54:23 < unixabg> dba: Sorry for confusion I created. I have reverted commits.
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2013-05-30 22:21:51 < melunks> I'm following the tutorials and lb config --packages gives me an error and it isn't an option in the man page
2013-05-30 22:22:09 < melunks> is there a workaround or am i doing something wrong?
2013-05-30 22:22:38 < unixabg> melunks: what version of lb -v
2013-05-30 22:23:15 < melunks> 3.0~a57-1 and 3.0.5-1
2013-05-30 22:25:11 < unixabg> which tutorial?
2013-05-30 22:25:38 < melunks> http://live.debian.net/manual/2.x/html/live-manual#105
2013-05-30 22:25:55 < melunks> 16.3 Tutorial 2: A web browser utility
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2013-05-30 23:04:29 < unixabg> melunks: you need manual for 3x http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/index.en.html
2013-05-30 23:13:52 < melunks> thanks!!
2013-05-30 23:38:52 < unixabg> melunks: your welcome.
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2013-05-31 05:02:41 < twb> When using aufs, is there a way to see what components are part of it?
2013-05-31 05:02:50 < twb> Under wheezy, /proc/mounts doesn't seem to say.
2013-05-31 05:06:58 < twb> I'm a bit annoyed because I had one foo.squashfs in an NFS directory, and it mounted just fine with "netboot=nfs nfsroot=/srv/netboot module=gnome"
2013-05-31 05:07:34 < twb> Then, I added a second one (tvserver.squashfs), and even though I specify module=gnome still, it seems to be using tvserver.squashfs instead of / as well as gnome.squashfs.
2013-05-31 05:08:17 < twb> http://paste.debian.net/7744/
2013-05-31 05:09:31 < twb> Looks like if I install aufs-tools I can inspect it, /me tries that now
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2013-05-31 05:26:07 < twb> Aha, I worked it out: # cat /sys/fs/aufs/si_7ef58fcf5b468725/br1 ==> /lib/live/mount/rootfs/tvserver.squashfs=rr+wh
2013-05-31 05:29:58 < twb> Yep, so it's definitely done what I don't want -- merged the squashfses: http://paste.debian.net/7745/
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2013-05-31 05:39:06 < twb> Oh, I *see*.  module=fred does not mean it will load fred.*
2013-05-31 05:39:39 < twb> It means it looks for a file fred.module that contains an $IFS-separated list of filenames.
2013-05-31 05:40:36 < twb> If it doesn't find fred.module, it loads ALL modules in the directory -- sorting first by extension, then by name.
2013-05-31 05:41:19 < twb> So for example if you have a.squashfs b.ext3, it will prefer the squashfs -- but if you have a.ext3 b.squashfs, it will STILL prefer the squashfs.
2013-05-31 05:41:25 < twb> ...I think.
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2013-05-31 12:45:59 < RealMurphy> hi, first of all thank you for this project, it helps us tremendoulsy for building a simple benchmark suite to procure new computers :)
2013-05-31 12:46:27 < RealMurphy> My question - how can I build a amd64 based live sytem, but include libc6:i386 (multiarch/wheezy) in it for some legacy programs?
2013-05-31 12:46:34 < RealMurphy> Is this (easily) possible?
2013-05-31 12:46:48 < SynrG> it is possible. but there's no easy option for it.
2013-05-31 12:47:17 < SynrG> ideally it should be done in a hook prior to apt populating the image with packages
2013-05-31 12:47:28 < SynrG> there does not exist any such hook at this time
2013-05-31 12:48:06 < SynrG> a grubby workaround would be to run a chroot hook that itself calls the necessary commands, just as you would to enable multiarch and install things on a regular system.
2013-05-31 12:49:05 < SynrG> by this statement: "there does not exist any such hook at this time" i don't just mean there's no such hook, but rather, there is not even a mechanism yet for including such a hook.
2013-05-31 12:49:22 < SynrG> dba has hinted earlier that in 4.x he would like to add such early hooks.
2013-05-31 12:49:31 < SynrG> afaik, 4.x doesn't yet have this either, though
2013-05-31 12:51:47 < RealMurphy> SynrG: Ok, sounds like a bit of work to do
2013-05-31 12:52:41 < RealMurphy> do you know of the top of your head where to put the grubby work-around
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2013-05-31 13:04:40 < RealMurphy> SynrG: would config/hooks be a good place to call dpkg/sed (to change sources.list) and apt-get install libc6:i386?
2013-05-31 13:05:04 < SynrG> dpkg/sed is not the standard solution
2013-05-31 13:05:21 < SynrG> ask dpkg bot about multiarch
2013-05-31 13:05:43 < SynrG> jussec, i'll get it to msg you
2013-05-31 13:08:53 < RealMurphy> hmmm, the last time I tried dpkg --add-architecture i386 did NOT add [multiarch...] to sources.list..
2013-05-31 13:08:59 < RealMurphy> I'll cross check
2013-05-31 13:09:06 < SynrG> it doesn't
2013-05-31 13:09:09 < SynrG> and it's not *supposed to*
2013-05-31 13:09:17 < SynrG> i don't know where you got the idea you needed that
2013-05-31 13:09:49 < SynrG> class X/Y problem. you want X and think you need Y to solve it. you don't. :)
2013-05-31 13:10:01 < SynrG> just follow the multiarch factoid
2013-05-31 13:10:05 < SynrG> and yes, do that in config/hooks
2013-05-31 13:10:18 < SynrG> and after that, your apt-get --yes install <your-i386-packages>
2013-05-31 13:10:41 < SynrG> foo:i386 bar:i386 or whatever
2013-05-31 13:11:04 < SynrG> s/class/classic/
2013-05-31 13:12:58 < SynrG> RealMurphy: you've read live-manual on config/hooks? if not, do that first.
2013-05-31 13:13:06 < RealMurphy> ok, dfinately need to corss check this :)
2013-05-31 13:13:17 < SynrG> trust me. i've done it before.
2013-05-31 13:13:32 < RealMurphy> http://live.debian.net/manual/current/html/live-manual/customizing-contents.en.html section 9.2 I'm on it
2013-05-31 13:13:57 < SynrG> ii  zsnes                         1.510+bz2-5         i386                Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System
2013-05-31 13:14:14 < SynrG> no multiarch in my sources.list
2013-05-31 13:14:26 < SynrG> just did what that factoid says.
2013-05-31 13:15:00 < SynrG> (and yes, my system architecture is amd64 :)
2013-05-31 13:22:00 < RealMurphy> an (of course) you are right, one should not have a typo in apt-get update and miss this in the error logs multiple times...
2013-05-31 13:23:20 < SynrG> heh
2013-05-31 13:23:56  * RealMurphy feels dumb, week too long error
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2013-05-31 13:57:18 < RealMurphy> SynrG: Thanks a bunch, I'll head over to my week-end (unless desasters occur and I need to work ;))
2013-05-31 13:57:56 < SynrG> great. good luck
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